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It’s not like the Jews had a choice. They fled from persecution and Israel was the only place most of them could go to survive. It’s a state founded by refugees fleeing oppression, persecution, and genocide. That makes it fundamentally different from other settler countries like Australia, the USA, Canada, all Latin American countries, and many more.
Most Israeli Jews didn’t even come there themselves, they were born in the land and have no other home.
Yes, Palestinians also have a right to self determination. Two state solution is the best option for that. Sadly they refused several of the good offers they got, especially around the turn of the millennium.
Of course there are racist and hateful Israelis as well. The overall society has understandably hardened their stance towards Palestinians since October 7th.
You could say that about any ethnic nationalist movement.
Similar chants are common in the other direction as well.
A hundred years of conflict have taken their toll.
Nah this conflict's a little over 200 years old since it comes directly from Theodore herzl's work in 1850.
Many Jewish people did have a choice and many specifically chose not to move there.
The mass expulsions you're talking about were Community Driven by those that Associated the Zionist actions of the nakba with the Jewish indigenous people. It's unfortunate but that's what happens when your group claims to be the sole voice of Jewish people.
Hell there's at least one terrorist attack that occurred in Iraq that we know was caused by Israeli terrorists. We don't know if they actually work for the government but we do know they were Israeli and we do know they were Zionist. This was because not enough Jewish people were moving into Israel to make it a viable state.
Let's talk World War II. Obviously there's the shoal. But what about the other 6 million people that were also killed that weren't Jewish? You know the Kurds, Roma, disabled, lqbtq, mentally disabled, the Poles and other Slavic communities who all had a state that they belong to that we're not defended by that state. Furthermore those people didn't think they needed a state for self-determination.
Don't forget the total dead in the Holocaust is 11 million. There's more that suffered in that period than just the Jewish people.
I would love to talk about when the two State Solutions were going to become viable. Was it during the Oslo Accords when Israel refused to acknowledge a path to the two State solution? What about the abraham Accords? In fact name one time in a period of History where Israel has ever been okay with the two-state solution.
I'm sure whatever you have to prove that Israel was okay with the two State solution will absolutely not be a piece of United States or Mossad propaganda not missing critical details or misrepresenting the situation.
And furthermore as I said it's not like the Jewish people could not have gone there they only had to integrate with the already existing Community rather than trying to supplant it with what they called their "Superior Jewish one"
Many died in Europe.
Jews were not exactly popular as refugees immigrants. A ship full of Jewish refugees was denied entry into the USA famously. At the end of WW2 no state wanted the displaced Jewish population.
The middle eastern Jews who were expelled had no other place to go either.
The Farhud also happened.
Look up at what times Jews were even allowed and strongly encouraged to leave Iraq.
Look at the map of Europe and the number of Slavic states. There are a lot of them nowadays. Or do you want to say that these people aware better off living under the yoke of the Russian and then Soviet Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, or the Ottoman Empire?
1935 peel commission. 1947 UN partition plan. Between 1948 and 1967 Israel tried to get recognition of its borders from their Arab neighbors several times.
Oslo was a step towards true two states. There were offers in 2000, Camp David, Clinton Parameters, Taaba, Olmert, I might miss one. Israel made several specific offers, which the Palestinians refused without giving a counter offer.
They tried. The Zionist movement wasn’t uniform either. The Arab population overall wasn’t to keen on the new arrivals, like can be seen in the Hebron massacre in 1929 and many other examples. The local Arabs launched a whole Arab revolt against Jewish immigration. Which lead to the British Empire restrict Jewish immigration severely during WW2. Or do you mean by integrate live as second class dhimmi, who pay extra tax, aren’t allowed to ride horses, are disadvantaged in courts have to wear yellow stars, can’t wear shoes near a mosque, and similar things Jews under Muslim rule were subject to?
The only thing I will address out of this comment since it's all full of Zionist talking points that can be easily debunked.
As I said zionism and the Colonization of Palestine has been going on since 1850.
The actions of of Zionist from this period directly contributed to the Palestinian reactions, like the Hebron Massacre.
Regardless it does not matter as no group of people deserves this type of treatment. An 85-year occupation with no autonomy.
Not a single one of those commissions you listed including the Peel Commission offered a path to a Palestinian state. Something you would know if you just weren't repeating Israeli talking points.
In every single commission the only thing Israel has offered is some sort of autonomy in name. In practice they would still control the air, the water, the border, the trade, the immigration, the electrical you know kind of like how Israel controls the West Bank almost entirely instead of the autonomy they promised to give Palestinians.
Kind of makes you wonder what the Palestinians have autonomy over.
Let's not forget that autonomy isn't the same thing as having your own State either.
There's the fact that every Palestinian including Israeli Palestinians are subject to military law instead of standard Israeli civil law like the rest of the citizens.
Dhimmni is a tax any non-muslim pays in a Muslim country. Sorry to burst your bubble but this isn't a uniquely Jewish persecution. Christians and other religious denominations also have to pay it.
Your point about the slavics having a bunch of their own different states doesn't mean anything for self-determination it doesn't discount the fact that you don't need a country for self determination. Especially considering the history of the USSR. Nice try though.
Furthermore Jewish people have had a continuous presence in Palestine for thousands of years and have lived peacefully along their neighbors for as long with only a few events the other religious minorities also suffered.
Nothing mentioned in this is unique to the Jewish people down to and including the Holocaust.
And nothing you mentioned justifies the atrocities and ethic cleansing the Israel has participated in for 85 years.
Oh and as for your Jews aren't popular refugees, refugees aren't popular refugees. No country wants to take refugees regardless of ethnicity
Why was there no Palestinian state established in the West Bank and Gaza between 1948 and 1967?
Zionist ethnic cleansing mostly.