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This explains the rural/city divide and why conservatives view blue cities as hell holes:
How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind
Having lived both sides, the whole thing not only resonates with me, it rings my fucking bell. If there was one article I could force all Americans to read, this is it.
Thats a pretty good read. I often think about a lot of that. But I never come up with a way to help the rural population much. Thier way of life is dying, has been for a few hundred years. But it is still essential. They don't like handouts or even assistance. So how do you help them?
I'd start by taking to top off Fox News and see them dance the hemp fandango. I cannot overstate how they've poisoned America. Had some education in journalism so I'm better tooled than most to spot media manipulation. Sure they come out with in-your-face lies now and again, but they're mostly subtle, which is far more evil. Next, I'd go after our social media overlords. These snakes have to be decapitated, literally.
Lately I've thought that the best way to heal America's rural/urban divide is to point out that the rich are fucking us. It's not the farmer or the blue-haired girl, not the LGBT folks or gun nuts, certainly not the immigrants. If I could hammer a single message into the American zeitgeist it would be this, "The wealthy are hurting all of us. Fight them every step of the way."
I know Bane's the bad guy and straight psychotic, but his speech in The Dark Knight Rises makes we want to fucking cheer.
There is no hope until the rich live in fear of the masses.
remmeber than bane trapped everyone in gotham regardless of their financial status and was going to blow them all up with a nuclear explosion
Well, I did note that he was psychotic.
its not that he's crazy, he is just lying
Wft... Bane is a working class hero, and this gives you power over me
I'd also like to point out that the joker burned a pyramid of money. A deflationary move that helps ordinary Americans. What did he get for his efforts? A billionaire takes it upon himself to beat him up.
To people from small towns, everyone in a city is 'wealthy', they must be to afford the insane cost of living right? But thats part of the problem. They don't realize the people spending $2500 a month on rent are spending 80% of their paycheck, or that they can't build any savings or eger hope to own a house or even a car because of it. They make no distinction between the actual rich people who live in cities and everyone else, and the state of America right now IS them fighting back against the 'rich'. Until these people understand the orders of magnitude the people actually fucking us are over the rest of us i don't know what can be done. To them anyone with a college degree is a wealthy elite.
This in mind, why isn't Trump a wealthy elite to them? How did he become their savior??
Trump speaks plainly, at a 4th-grade level. Obama spoke at 9th-grade level. Trump makes them feel smart, Obama made them feel stupid. Especially coming from a buh-lack man! The audacity of that <radio edit>!
This post hits in a way I hadn't quite figured out to myself. No wonder they still buy into the welfare queen thing. I've got to think on this a bit, woke me to a thing I hadn't considered.
To expand on what @[email protected] is saying, I live rural because I don't make enough to live in the city. My town is rapidly gentrifying and I might not afford to live next to cows any more pretty soon. City folk spend more on rent than I make in a month.
A lot of our 'welfare queen' perspective is colored by the fact that tax-funded services are usually concentrated in the city. I keep petitioning my county transit authority for better rural bus service, but the best they can do is make the city bus lines run every 15 minutes instead of every half an hour. Meanwhile, I'm paying uber $50 just to get to a doctor's appointment and wait to catch a ride home when a friend gets off work. Food costs more for worse quality in rural areas, so food stamps don't go as far as they would in the city. Welfare in the city feels like you could live like a queen off it. It's not entirely true, because the amount you get is scaled to income, but per dollar, you do get more for your welfare in cities.
There's also that city dwellers can get really nasty about rural folk. I've never voted for a republican in my life, but living out here makes people assume the worst of me. I get told that living rural means I'm a bootlicking hick that's too stupid to know what's good for me, so it's hard to sell that they deserve sympathy and we don't.
I’m sure these services are a big part of it - you can’t see all the poverty assistance spread out across a wide rural region but you can see there’s no bus service.
Certainly some services only work with higher population densities, but that’s why some of us prefer cities. Rural areas have advantages too, but either way is a compromise. We each made a choice where to live.
But turn this back to what would you do? As a liberal elite urban snob, i freely agree that my ideas are not likely to work well: maybe you don’t want internet service, education, connectivity to the modern world, infrastructure, fine. But im trying and i dont know what else to try. Step up and propose something. I don’t have any say for your county but if you say you need rural bus service, I’m all for that. And I’ll go further and say we should fund intercity rail, and rural bus service to all the towns it passes, to open more of the world to both of us. Stand up, tell us what you need, and you just might get it and more …. It’s not charity it’s a pooled resource making life better for us all.
This article pisses me off a bit, because it does seem likely, but there is no one that people on the left like, who is so corrupt, spiteful, narcissistic, destructive as Trump. We’d never vote to tear everything down, including the democratic traditions that are the foundation of our society. Plus if your strength and independence is so core to your self-image, where is it? Voting for a tantrum to knock everything off the table is no one’s idea of strength. Instead of denigrating what other people try to do for you, stand up and tell us what you need. Make a proposal we can all get behind. A big difference this article misses is that we want the best for you and will act to improve your life if you meet us half away, we have the entire resources of the country pooled to help all of us, where rural MAGA voted for lashing out, for hurting people
As a middle-aged, white, gun nut in the South, I'm definitely not feeling that urban liberals want the best for me. I'm liberal to the left of Obama, many of us are! But social media tells me I'm a racist cunt who should die in a fire.
Did you vote for the racists and fascists? Vote for suspending human rights, kidnapping people off the streets with no due process? Current politics have really made me understand how much white privilege I have and this is the fullest time in my life that I’ve been “woke” enough to be grateful for my skin color. What is going on now is way beyond the pale.
This is the first time that politics aren’t two slightly different positions where I can understand both, but one side is clearly anathema to everything we’ve ever professed as a country for the last 200 years.
Okay, this is one of those weird assumptions that people have about rural folk that I do not understand. Why does everybody assume that the 2k people living in my town don't want any of that stuff? It's one of the barriers I keep running into with the bus service, y'all city folk assume that we don't want it even though we're asking for it.
My town went blue. Most of my neighborhood are noncitizen farm workers who couldn't vote at all. Assuming all rural areas are stereotypical alabama is frankly insulting. You get a pass, because you don't live up here, but it's infuriating when I hear the same bullshit coming out of locals followed with "that's why I voted against the rural school levy, they don't deserve it".
Except that's not showing up in any real way. For example, I'm currently looking at the worker retraining programs, and the closest one is 70 miles away. Why should I not complain about that?
I did grow up sort of rural. I do know what it’s like to have fewer people, fewer amenities. But my town always managed to vote for at least good school funding.
But it is all politics. I started from conservative attitude and have gone much more progressive over time. Part of that is moving to a more progressive city and seeing how well it works. But most of my life it’s been “you deserve the same benefits that I have”. The same quality education, connectivity, infrastructure, all the modern amenities that make up a good quality of life. But I keep voting for that when it seems like rural conservative areas are the ones voting against it, those who would most benefit, are most against. Most of my life I could understand where they’re coming from, most of my life I could see the logic. I just can’t anymore. The modern conservative/progressive divide just doesn’t make any sense. Maybe part of it is money. In my conservative phase I cared a lot about being fiscally responsible and there was never enough money to go around. But now I have a better idea where the money comes from. It’s my money. I live in a major city that is the economic life blood of the region in a blue “donor” state that gives more to the nation than it takes. I’m voting to spend my money on your buses, your internet, your renewable energy, your education and job training so we can all benefit and I don’t understand why conservative people shit all Over that.
I also used to be conservative for strong family values, but that really seems performative and inconsistent with what I consider family values. Don’t be all self-righteous with your family values that really don’t seem to value families.
You should complain. You deserve better.
Pick one? We complain, and y'all go off on that whole rant in your second paragraph that boils down to 'how can you be so ungrateful for all this help I'm giving you', when we're not getting help? You understand how frustrating that is, right?
Yet the reason you’re getting none of that is your own conservative flock. I have no idea what you need but I’ll damn well try. Be ungrateful if you want. Turn it down if you want. Reject all hope for the future if you want but then don’t come crying to the rest of us. . But don’t be trying to tear down my world too. Don’t be getting self-righteous about it. Don’t claim its not fiscally conservative when you’re getting more money than you paid in.
I'm sorry, did you miss where I said my town went blue? That I have never voted anything except Democrat? What self-righteousness are you talking about?
And yet this was one of the major points where Hillary Clinton lost. Part of her platform was greatly expanding job training opportunities. People shit all over that …. While they had a point that those haven’t always worked well in the past, at least it’s something. At least it’s better than the guy lying to everyone’s face with no intention of doing anything.
Why vote Democrat where some people would benefit from job training when you can vote for some blowhard spouting gibberish who will just make your life harder?