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π€ so if gun violence is a problem... and they've already banned violence... what if one would ban the other thing - oh wait no it's definitely the goofy gamer machinimas π€ stop giggling y'all, this is serious. you don't wanna turn into criminals
Are you suggesting "banning guns"? If so, genuine curiosity, how would you go about doing it?
I guess a good start would be document gun holders digitally and not on a pile of paper where nobody finds anything and has water damage. Another approach would be not having guns sold in the supermarket. Furthermore, you could ban ads for guns and make it very hard to buy heavy stuff used only in war zone. And lastly restrict who and how weapons are allowed to be transported on man. Of course, one has to have a valid reason to have a weapon on them. Going shopping with a gun out of fear is mot a reason.
First we have to stop bringing new weapons to people, than we can think about collecting
Iβm Swiss, we have nearly as many private weapons per household as Americans have, but we have way less shootings, all the things above apply here and I think it kinda works.
It seems like New York goes in the right direction then, nice to see! I bet one sees the difference in the statistics for gun violence compared to other states of America. Umm, is NY a state or a city or both? π not so sure right now
If you order by "Murder Rate (per 100,000) (2019)"
Do the states with less murders per 100,000 than New York have more strict gun rules? (In case you happen to know that)
Everytownresearch.org looks like a really great resource! πthank you very much for that. So as it looks like, gun laws arenβt the only thing that influence gun violence. But if you ignore the statistical outliers then you see the correlation.
Oh dear π you got me here
I agree, having strong gun law in states around leading to weaker gun violence makes not so much sense. I would guess those states have ether a less dense population or have a historical culture (like an unwritten law in some sort) which prevents gun violence for some extent.
I see π I guess that explains a lot
So the plan should be to make the Poverty gap smaller as well as having some good gun laws.
Hope theyβll do it π€π»
TIL they show ads for guns. What exactly do they advertise?
Well that is one thing Iβm not 100% sure, but NRA 100% does political pro gun ads on TV (and most likely precisely targeted in social media) I just assumed there are normal gun ads since, well, itβs America.
https://youtu.be/ks2_wY7f-MM?si=SWzCvmHLKdys7jFt
Just skipped through that and it seems most tv networks refuse gun ads, but it seems not illegal by law to show gun ads on tv.
The same way we banned private ownership of nuclear missiles.
Yeah that was crazy when they had to go around and confiscate all those nuclear missiles from millions of American households.
God, please don't give the GOP any ideas, the last thing we need is nuclear proliferation among Trumpers.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2009/02/11/slain-neo-nazi-angry-over-obama-victory-reportedly-prepared-βdirty-bombβ-components
Could ask Australia
I would copy-paste what already worked in Australia, which used to have similar gun rights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0aGGOK4kAM
They banned violence. Clearly banning things is effective. It worked when they banned drugs. And 100 years ago when they banned alcohol. And there's definitely no sex workers because prostitution is banned.
Yet somehow, the bans on hand grenades, landmines and giant bags of anfo have worked. It's almost like it's easier to control the production of weapons and dangerous goods than plants and sex.
Gun control works the world over.
ANFO isn't banned, people use it all the time.
I am using the pro-gun community definition of the word "banned" that means "not actually banned, just regulated".
You can also buy hand grenades with the appropriate permits and background checks. You know, just like guns in almost every other country where the pro-gun community insists they're "banned".
Why don't you walk us through the process of legally acquiring a brand new, new full-auto rifle in America?
You can't? Oh shit, guns must be banned in America.
The reality is that before you started your little pro-gun death cult, America routinely made risk vs reward judgements on firearms, no different than the UK did when they decided the murder weapon of choice for criminals and men who can't control their emotions doesn't have a place in modern society.
Anyway, talk next time there's horrific violence that makes international headlines. Do you think it's going to be from America or the UK?
Can't buy them at a corner store? Banned.
I don't think I mentioned guns at all. If you assume banning guns would be equally ineffective I can't say I disagree, but that's a conclusion you came to.
Noone is saying ban guns. People are saying we should have more thorough background checks, mandatory training, and close gun show loop holes. No, banning things doesn't completely solve the issue. But putting obstacles in the way generally stop most crimes. Of course there will still be people who go above and beyond to commit a crime, but with the number of shootings drastically lowered you can start to address the rest more easily.
Ever wonder why no one is walking about with their own personal bazooka?
So you would legalize kiddie porn because it still exists?
No I'd kill the people that made it. There's a difference.
Yeah but you're pro-gun, so it's not surprising that you're always on the look out for someone you can get away with murdering.