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His win is a direct result of the Supreme Court's decision in a pivotal LGBTQ+ rights case.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You're also equating the cause of the feeling of repulsion.

You're repulsed by Nazis because Nazis are evil.

Why are you repulsed by gay people? Hate. Yes, even if disguised behind "religious reasons."

Regardless, I'm not saying that we must force the photographer to "work while being repulsed" (and I wouldn't want anyone on my wedding day that I know is repulsed by it anyway, but I digress.) I'm saying that we must continue peeling off that core of a hateful onion that is religion and bigotry until nothing is left.

And having said that: don't want to deal with "the gays"? Don't start a business in a place where gay people are protected. I'd say this ruling is in the wrong.

Also, I believe the photographer should be able to reject a job due to its type of content. Hear me out. Gay wedding? Yes. Gay wedding with a dildo theme? Nah. Straight wedding? Yes. Straight wedding with a cat killing theme? Nah.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not religious, and I don't agree with the sentiment, but their hate stems from them believing it's evil. They may see it just as evil as a nazi. I think they're wrong, but that's the nature of opinions and assholes. Everybody has one.

I think the difference to me is that sexual orientation is a protected class where political affiliation is not, in our government. Apparently, the courts disagree with me...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

That's literally what discrimination laws are for. You can't officially hate people on the basis of a protected category (race, sexuality, etc...). You can officially hate Nazis, you can't officially hate gays.

The gays/nazis comparison was ridiculous because it ignores this key distinction: we, as a people, have decided it's not OK to hate (in so far as it leads to discrimination) people for certain innate reasons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does it matter if they think it's evil, though? What if they thought that all gingers must be eliminated because they're evil?

It's still hate.

So, if they're not open to being educated, then fuck them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It only matters in so much as understanding a person's motivations. Motivations matter because it's an indicator of whether a person might be open to change by education or if it's something rooted more deeply.

As for what impact that should have on a person's legal right to be a bigot? None.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure if you're using the general "you" or the specific "you" so I just want to clarify that I am bisexual and not at all repulsed by LGBT people.

You make a good argument in your last paragraph. Photography is a more difficult situation to judge than the cake thing, but I feel like the photographer is often such an integral part of the wedding, that it's more of a participatory service, and my argument is about not making people participate in something they find unsavory.