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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Grocery stores keep budgets and expense reports. They downscale whatever products aren't selling or making them money. It's called running a business.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they may. I don't get to decide how they make decisions or which ones they make.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But you get to influence which decisions are profitable. When you pay them money in exchange for dead animals, you create incentive for them to arrange for there to be more dead animals

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they have free will. I don't get to make their decisions for them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow, you found a way to pay for corpses and somehow contrive yourself into not being responsible for the deaths

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not responsible for what other people do

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So if I gave money to an assassin and told him to kill you, I wouldn't be responsible for his actions?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

you're not responsible for his actions, you're responsible for yours.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

this analogy doesn't hold up: the meat is on a shelf and everyone has been paid before I decide whether to buy it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, let's say there's a serial arsonist who's been burning down houses in your neighbourhood. Now he's on GoFundMe asking for money to buy more gasoline. I like burned down houses, so I give him money with the knowledge he will use it to burn down your house.

Do I share any responsibility for what happened to your house?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I still don't see how this is analogous: the meat industry doesn't depend on my purchases any more than it depends on yours.

look at this chart. can you see when you went vegan?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, it does depend on your purchases more than mine. You're making the mistake of conflating a very small number with zero.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

animals are killed in increasing numbers year over year every year. being vegan doesn't stop that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And now you're conflating a very small number with a huge number

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

The only conflation that's happened in this thread is you conflating my responsibility with the responsibility of others.