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We've been ringing the alarm for awhile now, is it time to replace Biden to stop Trump?
With whom? Harris and Newsom both poll losing to Trump. Harris is less popular than Biden, and Newsom isn't an incumbent. Biden is the candidate in 24 for the same reason he was in 20. He's the best candidate to beat Trump.
The people "ringing the alarm" are out of touch socialists and anarchists, and more frequently, Republicans, foreign operatives, and grievancers who aren't voting anyway.
I would have loved to see a Sanders presidency in my lifetime. Well, it didn't happen. Fortunately, Joe Biden has proven a remarkably effective president under phenomenally difficult circumstances, and his bad numbers are less a product of his administration and more the result of record voter unhappiness and the stranglehold of Trump on US politics. That's not a problem that's solved by pushing a new candidate on stage, because any other Democrat is going to have the same baggage or worse, assuming they're not outright unelectable.
Hey, some of us out-of-touch socialists are voting for Biden anyway.
I'm an out of touch socialist myself, and I'll be voting for Joe Biden with my head held high. Point is there's a lot of sacrifice-the-good-for-the-perfect "left-wing" protesting on here that will suppress voter turnout by attempting to dampen enthusiasm for President Biden. Taking it at face value, it's coming from people who are unhappy he's not a European socialist; being a little more cynical, I find it hard to believe anyone who suggests we drop the incumbent mid-primary season doesn't have an ulterior motive.
My philosophy is that if you vote for the lesser of two evils, which some feel is what is going on in this election, the net result is less evil.
Gretchen Whitmer. You get Michigan and a somewhat progressive. Win-win.
Unfortunately, it looks like it's too late now and we might get another Trump presidency. Great job Dems! Infuriating! Before you say "are you voting for Biden?" I'm in California and will not. My vote doesn't matter here. I'll still be voting for all the other local elections though.
Read it again. I'm voting for all the local and statewide elections. I refuse to vote for Biden based on he hasn't earned my vote and doesn't align with my beliefs, I don't support his genocide in Gaza. That's democracy. You are free to vote for whoever you want or don't vote.
Absolutely correct. And we're going to point out that your position is to support MORE genocide in Gaza via Trump. The person you are helping elect. You can support Trump electorally without voting for him. You are making a conscious effort to support Trump and all the awful horrible shit he brings along. That should be pointed out every single time this gets brought up.
If the goal is to help Gaza, wouldn't the best course of action be to support the candidate that results in less harm? Or does less dead civilians not align with your beliefs? Is there a single shred of evidence that a Trump administration would result in any improvement whatsoever? Because there sure is a fuckload of evidence that it wouldn't.
Better tell Joe to step it up then and earn more votes.
Good thing your lack of vote only encourages more genocide in both Gaza and in Ukraine with Trump
"I choose to be part of the problem."
I don't think most anybody is ecstatic with either. The fly in the ointment is that these two parties are not beholden to the electorate at all - they run exactly who they please, and their 'primaries' are ultimately an at-will dog and pony show.
Can you imagine if Trump got put in jail and then Biden dropped dead of a heart attack. It would be an absolute clusterfuck of an election, and yet possibly better than what we're facing right now. Only downside is the potential for a Republican to possibly win in that case, but on the upside it would be hard for the Democrats to come up with a worse candidate than Biden.
And yet no one can ever say who could/would replace him. Curious.
Except Newsom loses to Trump by a bigger margin than Biden (although he seems to fare better than Harris, at least as of the most recent information I can find at a glance). I absolutely agree that if Biden wins another term and survives until the end of it, the DNC may well have a problem with Harris--and they absolutely need to start now if they're going to do anything about that--but I've yet to see anyone propose a candidate who consistently outperforms Biden in a hypothetical matchup against Trump. Hanging the party's national hopes on Newsom in 4 years if Harris doesn't fix her image problem between now and then isn't the worst idea (assuming the Republic makes it that long), but the notion that the party should drop the sitting president in favor of an up-and-comer who performs worse than him after delegates are already being awarded strikes me as unrealistic, to be generous. To be less generous, I think in a great many cases on Lemmy, it's just outright disingenuous.
And by what anti-democratic process are you suggesting this be done?
Easy. He bows out and the DNC endorses Gretchen Whitmer.
Welp, I did ask for anti-democratic process and you sure gave me one.
It has to be done before the convention though, otherwise it will look… awkward.
Edit: The more I think about it. The more excited I get. You lose the baggage of Israel. White. Female. You gain a swing state. Survived an assassination attempt. Did I mention she’s white.