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You only have this option as the final stage. You have primaries to vote for the actual better candidate.
As if the dems held actual primaries this year, lol.
Because incumbent presidents pretty much never lose.
So you agree: Dems tell people to shut up and don't make demands to their politicians, because representative democracy doesn't work and it's just a game of team A vs team B.
Where were you in 2020?
Staying indoors. Weren't you? /j
I mean if you want to put words in my mouth so you can win your little internet argument go ahead. It seems very important to you.
So, Biden has supposedly the best chance and primaries are were you make demands. Therefore: don't bother making demands to Biden. That's just your own points brought to a conclusion.
I never said primaries are where you "make demands" I literally just said it's not a strict binary choice since you get more options in the primary.
Anything else is you just making stuff up
O you admit that you actually didn't respond to the point I made in my first comment where I pointed out that democracy breaks down if you can't make demands?
Sure, whatever, I don't care anymore, you can add a tally to your "Internet arguments won" board.
And you can go to bed, knowing you helped justice in the world by downvoting the dumdum with the wrong opinions.
I mean its the morning, so probably not, but good try.
I live in West Virginia. I've never had a primary where the winner wasn't already decided. Everyone has dropped out before it gets to me, so does my vote not matter?
We don't live in a direct democracy with instant national voting, so that's just gonna happen.
Good news is, you can do your part to convince others. Have you ever volunteered for anyone's campaign?
So the answer is no, my primary vote doesn't matter.
Well if that's all you're willing to do, then you don't matter.
Dude, look at the comment that I commented under. The context of it was that he said that the primaries were for picking better candidates, and I said the primaries don't matter, in my case.
I'm simply saying the answer to finding and fielding better candidates is not the primary, because it is inherently undemocratic process.
We do?
Yes.
The last Democratic presidential primary where the result wasn't preordained was 2008.
The primaries were not stolen from you. Bernie just isn't as popular as you wish he was.
wrong. the dnc admitted it was rigged, and a court agreed they were allowed to rig it.
The 2020 DNC primaries were pretty much decided in a state that voted for Trump so... not really.
Not at all. Just because you can use a state to gauge who the winner will be doesn't make that the state that decides it.
And I'm by no means a fan of how the DNC operates. Just pointing out you have the option.
Alright then let's make it simpler:
Was Biden the most viable candidate to win the general election out of everybody else running in the 2020 primaries?
I mean that's a matter of opinion and doesn't really have anything to do with wether you have a primary.
Yeah I know it's a matter of opinion. I'm asking what your opinion is.
Who’s the president now?
I'm gonna take that as a "yes" to which I'd say: Then you have nothing to worry about. You obviously don't need my vote and can ignore me.
I’m just saying he won.
Who else do you think had a chance?
So you didn't answer my question? Why would I answer yours?
Fair point, enjoy spreading voting apathy.
Maybe Bernie will get in next time.
What you're doing is like trying to tell people to keep the kitchen clean while there's a leak in the roof you refuse to even talk about. You're spreading apathy because you refuse to acknowledge what needs to change.
Enjoy defending a garbage party, candidate, primary and the people who continue to prop it up.
Biden’s been the best president for forty years, which by itself is kind of sad.
And to what do we owe that tragedy? Could it be the DNC is a shit party? Could it be the primaries are run badly? Could it be that Biden is a pro-corporate piece of shit? Could it be that Boomers who voted for him in the primaries are selfish pieces of shit?
Democracy is messy. But why would you want to tear it all down when it's on an uptick.
It is Biden's last term so there's going to be a new nominee next time.
Why would you want to let the Republicans declare open season on woman's/queer/tran's rights?
Sorry your preferred candidate didn't get elected but what you're doing now is selfish.
"uptick"? What are you talking about?
Nobody wanted to have a discussion about how it was selfish to vote for Biden in the primaries so I'm uninterested in having it now.
What assurances can you give me the primaries won't produce yet another procorporate trash candidate?
If you look back three comments you can see what I was referring it.
He won and now you're sad. I get it, it sucks when your preferred candidate didn’t get elected.
I'm not, I said it wouldn't be Biden.
It really feels like you're not paying attention to what I'm saying.
Well now you can be sad when your preferred candidate loses in the general.
I feel like you don't understand that you're arguing with someone on a level playing field. You can't force me or convince me to vote for Joe Biden in the general election again. You had a chance to vote for someone in the primaries who was worth a shit. There were a lot of good options. You chose procorporate trash assuming you could just scream "vote blue no matter who" at people and they'd fall in line. Despite 2016 showing that's not going to work.
There was a solution here where we could have all won. You chose to make us lose and are now mad you're gonna lose too. This is so dumb. Just make better choices in the primaries and shame people who aren't. Pretty simple stuff.
I'm not trying to force you or convince you of anything, you can have your temper tantrum all you want.
I'm just trying to listen to you and support your choices.
Biden is going to have a tough time but he'll get re-elected and hopefully the next democratic nominee can continue is amazing work.
Buddy calling my decisions and perspective a "temper tantrum" isn't "listening" or "supporting" in any way. You're a gaslighting moron.
Great. Sounds like you think you don't need my vote. Best of luck to you.
Haven't you spent a dozen comments saying you won't vote for him?
That's literally the definition of nothing lost.