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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Actually significantly below average even by the low bar of the Dem leadership. He was the most conservative democrat candidate in a field that included Amy Klobuchar and two billionaires, one of whom is a former republican.

He's barely to the left of Joe Manchin and neoliberals pretend that he's the most progressive president ever 🤦

And yes, of course he's still a much better choice than the Mango Mussolini, but talk about a low fucking bar!

[–] blargerer@kbin.social 110 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He is undeniably awful on some issues, however if you look at everything that's happened under him, I think you'll be surprised how much, lets say his people, have started to pull the US out of a 40 year old Reagan shaped hole.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, he's made some good cabinet appointments, but I guarantee that, for example, the excellent Lauren McFerran who's been doing a great job at NLRB wasn't his idea.

Party loyalists like the twitter troll Neera Tanden, unprincipled opportunists like Pete Buttigieg and conservatives like Merrick Garland are much more Biden's speed.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Ok exactly the fucking point. McFerran wasn't bidens idea, because he isnt obsessed with "oNLy tHe BEsT PeOpLE" who weirdly he has to be related to or owe money or who went on fucking infowars to praise him. There is ROOM for expertise and reasonable suggestions.

I would take any one of the people who are "bidens speed" over the muck eating, grifting, shitbird appoinents trump made.

Summarizing, you're right and still full of shit lol.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (45 children)

Can you list out some of the legislation he's helped pass and some of his executive orders?

Edit: Instead of everyone continuing with the "here's one thing I didn't like" game, here's a non-exhaustive list for you:

  • Rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement
  • Rejoining the World Health Organization
  • Revoking permits for the Keystone XL pipeline
  • Ending support for Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen
  • Withdrawing from Afghanistan
  • Juneteenth National Independence Day Act
  • American Rescue Plan
  • Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
  • CHIPS and Science Act
  • Inflation Reduction Act
  • Honoring our PACT Act
  • Eliminating the Schedule F class of federal workers Trump created that stripped federal workers of job protections
  • Restoring collective bargaining rights to federal workers
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (80 children)

Well there's the time he lobbied Congress to take away the rights of striking railway workers.

And then there's the fact that he circumvented normal procedures to expedite weapons sales to Israel twice in December alone.

That's just two of many examples of him being on the side of the rich and powerful and against regular people every time there's conflict between the two groups.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

How dare he… checks notes… prevent a national financial crisis but still worked to get the unions everything they wanted, and stand by our international allies in a crisis even when Congress won't.

I guess you'd prefer a reality where he takes the fall for the consequences of the strike, Republicans win, and Israel is thrown under the bus, providing an example to our other allies that we will do the same to them as soon as it's politically convenient. Brilliant politics.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (10 children)

prevent a national financial crisis

He did no such thing. That was just his bullshit excuse. The crisis from the next major derailment, one that could happen anywhere, including in major metropolitan areas, will likely be much worse than anything caused by upholding the rights of striking workers.

stand by our international allies in a crisis

Yeah, when those allies are operating an apartheid regime committing genocide, it's not a good thing to pretend that automatically taking their side is the principled thing to do. The crisis is of their own making and US support in the form of weapons and funding is making it worse, not better.

Republicans win, and Israel is thrown under the bus

Bullshit. Republicans are MORE staunchly in favor of the Israeli government, being fellow fascists.

we will do the same to them as soon as it's politically convenient

Yeah, because not enabling genocide by an apartheid regime is all about convenience! Gtfo with that bullshit!

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Those striking railway workers eventually got their demands for sick leave met in their contracts with continued support from the Biden Administration AND our national economy didn't grind to a halt

"We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.

Source: https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid

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[–] cheesebag@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

He's barely to the left of Joe Manchin

You know Biden & Manchin were in the same Senate together, right? So it's in fact quite easy to look up & see that this is completely false.

He was the most conservative Democrat candidate

That's not what voters thought during the primaries. This Business Insider ranking has him middle of the pack. And this Pew poll shows him having more liberal support than Bloomberg.

If you can show me a ranking of the candidates ideologies that shows Biden as the most conservative (actual data that supports your opinion, not just feelz), go ahead. I'll wait.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 85 points 1 year ago (7 children)

ITT: the same right wing trolls pretending to be leftists. Don't even bother.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Not necessarily. There's also the accelerationists that want to burn the whole thing down and believe that they'll be around to rebuild their utopia in the ashes, without any regard for those who suffer and are murdered to try to achieve their selfish vision of society. All while ignoring the facts that accelerationism has never been demonstrated to actually work and that there's a pretty decent chance that they would be targeted for murder if an authoritarian government took over, prior to societal collapse.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. This is what happens when you make terminator movies: Everyone thinks they're gonna be a hero freedom fighter against the cold, faceless oppressors.

Nobody ever considers the most likely scenario: you're probably one of the skulls that the robot steps on as the camera pans up.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Nononono you see life is easier if you just say BoTh SiDeS and move on. Sort of. You kind of have to repeat this mantra every time politics comes up for the rest of your life. But it sure beats thinking! That shit is hard!

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you keep saying "in a socialist utopia this wouldn't happen" and do nothing long enough, a revolution will just happen and solve all the problems!

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And when you or your partner get sent to prison because you had a miscarriage, you can rest easy knowing that at least you didn't vote for the guy that wouldn't have sent you to prison for having a miscarriage

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This is the conversation created by the system. There were many other candidates than biden in 2020, but the party colluded to make biden the presidential nominee. Nothing stopped democrats from running a different candidate this year either except some superstition about the "incumbent advantage". Remember when that incumbent advantage worked in trump's favor in 2020...? Oh wait, it's all bullshit when your favorability rating is so damn low like it is for biden right now. It's okay, if we close our eyes and ears and scream "BUT THE OTHER GUY" loud enough, I'm sure it'll all work out. We should be asking why the machine only has two buttons, starting from a low bar and only going lower.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sounds like a great moment to remember this:

Biden signals to aides that he would serve only a single term

The Democratic party should act in accordance to what its members want to believe is most appropriate, not what its elites impose on them.

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[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago (33 children)

The problem is that the democrats / social democrats around the world have really become corporatism and are now exploiting the far right - they don't have to enact left wing policies and can move further to the right or just do nothing. And then you're called to prevent "literal hitler". Yeah you have to, but it's a catch 22.

A "green new deal" or universal healthcare isn't even talked about anymore. People are just so sick of this shitocracy. And it's spreading everywhere.

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[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok great, we worked out what to do on election day. Now, what are we going to do the rest of the time? We must organize and build political structures outside the two parties, must force action to change the way the fundamental government of the United States operates so that it is a democratic body void of money, gerrymandering, the senate, and the nature of the Supreme Court. Congresspeople must represent a realistic and small number of people.

[–] auk@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is the idea behind /c/inperson@slrpnk.net. The idea is, instead of using this platform to gripe at each other about "yes it is" "no it isn't" "yes it is", we can start to organize and make things better.

I propose that any time one of those awful "no one vote it definitely won't matter trust me" posts comes up, we make a thread underneath it with some links to productive positive things we're doing in addition to, obviously, voting for the guy who's not going to blow up the country and piss on the ashes. Turn the shilling into a reminder to get out and do something concrete.

Right after I get done typing this I'm going to go back to trying to figure out a way I can volunteer some time to the Biden campaign. I'm going to be honest, I feel a little corny even typing that out, but I think trying to make sure Trump doesn't win is for real the most effective thing that'll set us up for more positive change and less end-of-the-world disaster in the near future.

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[–] CultHero@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (12 children)

My family fought in both world wars. My grampa was part of the North African campaign, a cousin went down on the HMS Hood after being sunk by the Bismarck during the Battle of the Denmark Strait...

Living in Canada and watching our neighbours to the south gleefully embrace the fascism we ALL fought against is both disgusting and terrifying.

How the hell did this happen?

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[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hitler only lived to age 56. If trump had only lived to 56, he would've died in 2002, before The Apprentice had even aired. That's the better timeline for sure.

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[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Jesus christ this has gotta be one of the most annoying conversations people have every four years. uhhh we gotta vote because the other candidate is literally hitler guys he's literally hitler. uhhhh noooo I don't wanna vote at all because I'm cranky and my candidate has dementia and sucks waaaaah.

I feel like I'm stuck in a fucking time loop. I would much rather see people being like, oh you hate our options, like a sane person, but will probably vote anyways because it takes like an afternoon at most, if you really feel like it and hopefully don't have anything more important to do? Instead of this meme, I'd rather see like, oh, here's some shit you can do, here's some organization you can join, here's some place you can donate money, something like that. Here's what building you should throw a brick through the window of, you know? I'd rather see that, than these dumb ragebait memes.

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[–] Matombo@feddit.de 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Where is the 3rd button with "Become an actuall democracy"?

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

doesn't exist, there is no "third button" you have to make it yourself, and until you achieve that it's a good idea to keep literally Hitler out of power, because you can't do that with LITERALLY HITLER

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[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As far as I'm concerned, Biden is running unopposed this year.

The media is more interested in promoting a contest than acknowledging the facts.

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[–] Zeon@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Literally Hitler"

Yeah, I don't like what Biden is doing in Gaza either.

[–] auk@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know! He came into office with strong sanctions being applied to Israel for their massacre policies, a decades-long established ban on the construction of new settlements, and an agreement which was undoing illegally constructed settlements and resettling Palestinian families back into their homes. Biden broke with all of that, gave Netanyahu a green light to start their apartheid policies again, and personally visited the West Bank and shot a few Gazans himself with a sniper rifle, just to emphasize the point.

In contrast, Trump is famous for protecting the rights of Arabs. Just like he is Hispanics and Chinese people. Why, the strong protections that all Palestinians enjoyed were partly his doing. They were part of the Iran / Muslim immigrant / asylum seeker reforms he enacted. Although, the main work was started by other Western politicians. I can't wait for Trump to get elected, and undo all the harm Biden's been doing, and finally set us on the road to lasting peace in the Middle East, and a world where the rights of vulnerable non-white people will finally be strongly protected in the halls of power.

Or...

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[–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 20 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Riddle me this. If he's literally Hitler how come no one has used their hypothetical time machine to hypothetically eliminate him?

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[–] atyaz@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago (13 children)

The reason we need to have this conversation every time is because we want to live in a democracy

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Figuratively Hitler. Literal Hitler is a skeleton by now.

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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Even Hitler in his final hours wasn't as utterly deranged as Trump.

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Yeah, he at least had the decency to kill Hitler.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Downvoting for misuse of, "Literally."

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're having this conversation because those in charge (E: the obscenely and well established rich, not to be confused with the politicians they buy) want you to, so you're busy fighting each other about the illusion of choice they've given you, instead of fighting them over the oppressive system they impose for their own benefit. The fact that you even have to ask just proves how well it's working.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230803021951/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

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