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Democracy kind of breaks down if you can't make demands anymore, since the "lesser evil" is the only viable option.
Also: elections are overrated/don't work.
If elections don't work why do republicans put so much effort into manipulating them.
Let me clarify: They do work in solidifying power structures. However, that's usually not in favour of the vast majority of people.
So when the wrong people win, elections work. But stopping the wrong people from winning totally doesn't work.
Got it. Thanks for breaking it down for me.
Yeah. Elections are tools for the powerful. True democratic power comes from organizing.
If you can't bring the Dems to stop condoning a genocide, but you have to vote for them nontheless, because orange man bad: what use is this democracy?
Post your organizing: [email protected]
Invite me to a Gaza protest and if I'm in the area you'll see me there.
You're obviously doing some organizing, since you feel it's important enough that voting even to choose between two so dramatically different candidates would be, by comparison, not worth it.
Right?
I'm not located in the US, though.
You only have this option as the final stage. You have primaries to vote for the actual better candidate.
As if the dems held actual primaries this year, lol.
Because incumbent presidents pretty much never lose.
So you agree: Dems tell people to shut up and don't make demands to their politicians, because representative democracy doesn't work and it's just a game of team A vs team B.
Where were you in 2020?
Staying indoors. Weren't you? /j
I mean if you want to put words in my mouth so you can win your little internet argument go ahead. It seems very important to you.
I live in West Virginia. I've never had a primary where the winner wasn't already decided. Everyone has dropped out before it gets to me, so does my vote not matter?
We don't live in a direct democracy with instant national voting, so that's just gonna happen.
Good news is, you can do your part to convince others. Have you ever volunteered for anyone's campaign?
So the answer is no, my primary vote doesn't matter.
Well if that's all you're willing to do, then you don't matter.
Dude, look at the comment that I commented under. The context of it was that he said that the primaries were for picking better candidates, and I said the primaries don't matter, in my case.
I'm simply saying the answer to finding and fielding better candidates is not the primary, because it is inherently undemocratic process.
We do?
Yes.
The last Democratic presidential primary where the result wasn't preordained was 2008.
The primaries were not stolen from you. Bernie just isn't as popular as you wish he was.
wrong. the dnc admitted it was rigged, and a court agreed they were allowed to rig it.
The 2020 DNC primaries were pretty much decided in a state that voted for Trump so... not really.
Not at all. Just because you can use a state to gauge who the winner will be doesn't make that the state that decides it.
And I'm by no means a fan of how the DNC operates. Just pointing out you have the option.
Alright then let's make it simpler:
Was Biden the most viable candidate to win the general election out of everybody else running in the 2020 primaries?
I mean that's a matter of opinion and doesn't really have anything to do with wether you have a primary.
So you've been incessantly writing in to your congresspeople to make demands, make sure they know where you stand on important issues, right?
Not just shitposting and encouraging people to do even less to exert control over their systems of government than the fairly minimal input-lever which is voting, right?
Right?
I'm in a political group, organizing. Protests and agitation are way more effective than writing some rich fuck in congress.
Also: I'm not even a US citizen, lol.
Link me to your protest group, I am interested to support it.
I am dead serious, I've been feeling guilty that I haven't been doing enough to get personally involved in activism and I recently signed up with CCL and I'm looking today at what else I can do.
Join a union. The more radical the better. My org is located in Germany. ;)
Yo I've heard things have been pretty bad in Germany regarding the far right. Is it as bad as they say?
Yes and no. There have been mass mobilization aoainst the far right after news broke that they've conducted a secret meeting discussing how to forcibly remove unwanted people from Germany (no matter if they have citizenship). That lead to a looot of protests against the far right.
But those protests were partially conducted by the parties in power, who conduct their own racist (but less obviously so) policies.
Damn, I suppose it's better than no protest. Best of luck comrade o7
Right, the problem is that they just don't know what I want. Silly me.
Am also agreeink with elections not work. Many people say no to elections. A vote is wasted. Look at a great leader like Putin - he needs not the many votes to stay in power.
Elections did a pretty fucking good job of getting women sent to jail for having miscarriages