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[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 172 points 1 year ago (7 children)

CDs are just digital files plus waste. Vinyl is a musical ritual.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

CD is still the only way to buy a digital popular music in most countries.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget digital music stores like Qobuz and www.bandcamp.com.

Artists get more money when you buy their music outright instead of stream it.

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Bandcamp was bought by Epic Games, who fired half the staff and sold off the remainder to some kind of nebulous music licencing platform. I wouldn't cheer them on much longer, I see dark days ahead.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seriously? Fucking hell, that's depressing.

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[–] kirklennon@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No it's not. The iTunes Music Store is available in the majority of countries in the world. Plus there are other services that cover some of the other countries. Vanishingly few people can choose only a CD.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You don’t own the music you license through iTunes though.

[–] kirklennon@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't own the music you buy on a CD either. You are buying a license to the music and physical storage of it. If you want you can burn your iTunes songs on a CD and you're in the same situation.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You own a copy of a copyrighted material. The copy is yours. No DRM, no remotely removing your ability to use it.

[–] kirklennon@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You own your own hard drive. That copy of an iTunes song is yours. No DRM, no remotely removing your ability to use it.

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[–] null@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago

How is that different from iTunes?

[–] null@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only since 2007…

EMI was the first domino to fall after Job’s famous Thoughts on Music open letter.

The other labels followed suit shortly after.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That open letter will be old enough to vote in less than ten months.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

No, I'm certain 2007 was just six or seven years ago, right? Right?

[–] UckyBon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You do know that the content in the iTunes Store isn't the same in each country?

[–] kirklennon@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am aware, but unless you're saying iTunes doesn't sell pop music in most markets, it's not really relevant.

[–] UckyBon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Many people don't listen to local music or pop music. It's very relevant if you can only get real music on a physical medium.

And out of everything available iTunes is your first choice too?

Soms people here on Lemmy are even more insufferable than any other social media.

Don't you dare buy a cd with the music you like. BUY FROM ITUNES, while in the next thread they say FUCK APPLE.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

You completely missed the point of what you are replying to. The point isn't that you SHOULD buy music from online sources instead of CDs. The point is that CDs aren't "the only way to buy a digital popular music in most countries." They are directly contradicting a point someone else made by saying CDs are not the only way to buy digital popular music in most countries. They even specifically said popular music, not whatever niche music some random person is into. They also mentioned iTunes because it services 119 markets, which directly counterpoints the statement about being available in most countries. They never advocated for iTunes like you imply.

It's almost like you lack reading comprehension. "Soms people here on Lemmy are even more insufferable than any other social media."

[–] kirklennon@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Many people don’t listen to local music or pop music.

I was responded to a comment about the availability of pop music.

And out of everything available iTunes is your first choice too?

Yes, the largest digital music store is, naturally, the first one I searched for availability numbers for (119 markets).

I don't really understand the rest of your rant.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I think you can use iTunes as a catch all for sales of digital files, including bandcamp. As opposed to a physical disc or a subscription. FWIW I was just looking this up on the RIAA website and you can run reports by year or year over year comparing media options. It’s really interesting to see which year each format peaked. Eg 8track 1978, cassette 1989, CD 2000, digital file 2012. It doesn’t include limewire /napster (non-revenue) so the unit counts are a bit depressed. I wish it included pre-iPod mp3 players and blank CD sales.

https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

iTunes music store is not available in mainland China, which is 1/5 of the world's population

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[–] Link@rentadrunk.org 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The music on iTunes is compressed and doesn’t sound as good as a CD does.

Not to mention they can revoke your access to your music on iTunes. No one can take away your CD unless they break into your house!

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Even a human with very good hearing and knowledge of how a song is supposed to sound cannot tell the difference between CD quality audio and 256k AAC like iTunes uses.

Don't believe all the nonsense audiophiles keep spewing out. Human ears suck. If we hadn't had our giant brains to compensate, we'd be practically deaf.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

This. People assume that because it's "compressed" it must sound flatter, less dynamic, or just vaguely worse than uncompressed audio, despite the fact that audio compression specifically uses psychoacoustic models to remove the bits of data that our human ears and brains cannot hear to begin with.

Expectation bias is a helluva drug.

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[–] kirklennon@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to mention they can revoke your access to your music on iTunes.

iTunes got rid of DRM a decade and a half ago.

[–] Link@rentadrunk.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure but if you don’t have the song downloaded on your PC and they remove it from your library you can’t redownload it.

Most people aren’t backing up the songs they buy on iTunes.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Thank goodness they’ll let you redownload your CD if it gets damaged…

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[–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vinyls break easily and sound kinda meh, even with decent equipment. CDs have fairly good quality and are easy to store and handle. Honestly I get why people like vinyl, big discs are fun and tinkering with analog stuff is its own hobby, but when it comes to collecting I prefer CDs.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago

I like old vinyl because these are my grandparents' and parents' records which I have heard myself a few times in my childhood.

I don't get recording digital data, then writing it to an analog medium which is then sold 15 times more expensive than it historically was.

[–] mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

CDs are digital files plus ownership.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Once you download a music file, nobody is taking it away from you.

And CDs can have DRM just like any other digital media.

[–] mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No, a CD that carries the actual CD logo cannot have DRM. It is true that the music industry has often pushed 'enhanced' formats that look like CDs that do; SACD, for example.

Ownership is different to possession, and I want to actually own my music, not just possess the files.

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[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I download my MP3 and FLAC files and then I own them and play them on any device I want.

[–] mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There certainly are some services where you can legally download MP3 and FLAC files. Bandcamp, for example. If you download your music like that then, yes, you do own it.

But I'm not aware of anywhere you can get music from the major music labels nowadays (Amazon used to sell MP3s and so did Google Play Music, but neither does any more). If you do, I'd love to know.

On the other hand, you can still - although it's getting harder - buy CDs for major label artists and then you own the music (that copy of it).

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, CDs are the most reliable way to get the digital file.

7digital is a site where I've bought major label music and get the files. If it's not on bandcamp it's often on 7digital. They don't have everything though.

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[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I'm glad I saved my CDs, as I was able to rerip them to FLAC and undo the mistake my juvenile self made of ripping to WMA. I still keep the CDs to play in my car from time to time

[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I agree with you, I still want to be able to buy CDs.

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I do miss caring about my CD collection. I still have them but I have nothing to play them on.