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anime fans have a nasty tendency to ship the most absolutely toxic, nonsensical, garbage pairs. That includes the creators.
Well in real life people change, so it’s weird to call it out as this weird thing that shouldn’t be happening.
He had one of the required dragon powers they needed didn’t they? Unless I am misremembering they had no option but to work with him, and during that time he did significantly change, although kept the bad boy vibe. He even saved them a few times.
I really don’t see his arc being much different than someone’s like Vegeta.
Pulled from the internet, but yes.
One of the best examples of this is Gajeel. After Phantom Lord's disbandment, he's sitting alone in silence until Makarov comes and talks to him, asking him who he really wants to be and what he believes his future holds for him. Makarov offers him a place in Fairy Tail, and when Gajeel reminds him he's the one who attacked and crucified the three guild members, Makarov's face darkens and he still expresses clear hatred for this crime. Makarov clearly states that he still hasn't forgiven him for this, but he can't just let Gajeel wander in darkness and walk down a worse path knowing he could've helped him. And when he joins the guild, everyone is immediately hostile. Almost none of them accept him, and Shadow Gear later confront him and begin attacking Gajeel, until Laxus joins in and blasts him with lightning. But Gajeel accepts this punishment and does nothing to defend himself, allowing them to get their anger out. Here, he acknowledges his crimes and has to make a genuine effort to redeem himself, which he does in the following arcs.
Sometimes you need to read a little between the lines and look at how they do act differently, but similarly. It’s there, you can also choose to see that they haven’t changed, that’s the great thing about narratives, leaves a lot to interpretation.
What about all the chances he had to let them die or to kill them off while alone, but he actually goes out of his way to save them? You seem to be ignoring the good that he actually did do after this exchange.
So I’ll turn it around, after that event, what did he do to show that he didn’t change and would flip at any moment again? Why do you think he didn’t change after showing he was willing to accept whatever punishment they had? Even to kill him then and there?
I don’t think this one was flip like you’re saying, this is chapters and chapters long of him struggling through and redeeming himself with his choices and actions.
It’s a story about guilds fighting each other, calling it abuse is a stretch. They all did this stuff to each other, yeah a few take it further, but without that you don’t have a story/villian.
Also, you seem to accept that this and that can be glossed over, but stop at this arbitrary line? Seems weird, that’s all.
They didn’t gloss over it, there was plenty of arcs where he constantly improved himself and showed how he changed, despite your claim that never happened.
So why do you think he didn’t change? You’ve provided no examples, yet all the arcs show how it happened through his actions.
Again, with the narrative you are free to ignore and interpret the stories your own way.
Me since you kept arguing the same thing without addressing anything I brought up. As I said you ignored the good things he was doing, since you already thought he was passed redemption.
Which is very strange for an anime that you already said had to move fast and gloss over stuff. So why not gloss past this like everything else before you already did?
It’s a fantasy world where everyone literally beats the shit out of each other for fun, they obviously have vastly different views than you, so why would they even balk about it….? You’re projecting your own personal world view on a fantasy world… some people’s justice is literally I beat the shit out of you, we are best friends now, it’s not real fucking life lmfao, if it was a realistic manga, sure yeah you may have a point, but that’s neither here nor there.
You may be taking this a little bit too seriously if you draw arbitrary lines like you’re doing with a FANTASY media…..
It’s a fantasy world with completely different world views, the relationship actually fits within the lore of the universe… two people literally became best friends after beating the shit out of each other.
I’m sorry you think a FANTASY world has to have the same world view as you, maybe you need to immerse yourself into their narrative properly so you can understand how it actually fits perfectly for the lore and world they built.
I was saying everyone is free to interpret it their own way, but at the same time you can wrong since you aren’t understanding the lore, and that’s okay. What’s not okay is continually arguing the same points after having this pointed out you multiple times.
Clearly you didn’t actually come here for a discussion, so I’m gonna bounce now. Maybe look at what the artist is trying to tell you, instead of just assuming and building your own narrative.
It’s a fucking fantasy world, they have massively different standards and they obviously view abuse and assault differently. So why you would think they would react the same is just fucking wild, maybe you take these stories TOO seriously since you want them to be real? Idk, it’s fucking fiction lmfao.
Japanese entertainment and good ethics don't really get along. Case in point: Endwalker.
What’s wrong with showing that people can be redeemed and change their ways?
Isn’t that the whole point of the courts and jail systems IRL in the end? It’s wild that people can’t handle something that’s quite honestly how humans should be. Why are people so afraid to accept people can and do change, it’s human nature to even. People who don’t change are the outliers.
You must be American? It works elsewhere pretty damn well with very low reincarnation rates, can’t say the same in places where it’s a business instead. It’s also a problem when people steal some bread just to get themselves off the street for a couple nights with a guaranteed meal…..
This is also more about the meme in general than the specific Fairy Tale case, but to think that no one deserves redemption is just frankly an extremely shitty way of thinking.
It’s more why get hung up on a specific example? Vegeta did far worse and yet he’s a fan favorite, so why is Gajeel so bad?
Also, as I stated it’s more to do with the meme than the specific case someone brought up, everyone can be deserving of redemption, not everyone will agree obviously, but to say that some people don’t deserve it only speaks volumes of your character.
Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise can not see all ends.
Yet in a FANTASY world where people beat each other up for shits and giggles, you hold them to your own even higher standard…?
It’s a FANTASY world where people literally beat each other up for fun, some even became best friends after, and yet this is an arbitrary line you want to die on? Lmfao.
Maybe don’t take fictional media so non-fictionally…..? You would have somewhat of a point if the manga was trying to be realistic and fit out world views but this is either here nor there, and in lore of the media, or actually makes perfect fucking sense, it’s weird you think they need to be defined by OUR standards….
You’re judging a fantasy character who has different standards to be above your own real world views. You’re not even exercising judgement, you’re putting your own world views on someone else’s narrative while ignoring the lore they built.
There was two willing participants in this exchange, you’re just as guilty as me if you want to pull that.
But imma block you now, so anything further is entirely on you.