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I’ll be doing my civic duty by not voting. Voting is supposed to be about picking the candidate I want. Well, I don’t want either of these two candidates, and I won’t stand for the DNC rubbing its greedy little fingers together in the background, making deals and concessions with whomever they have to in order to push their candidate of choice.
Biden has done some good things. Honestly more than I expected. This does not now, nor has it ever, and nor will it ever give the DNC carte blanche to manipulate the primaries from the shadows to choose their preferred candidate to represent the party in a wide-open field of two people once every four years.
You want someone to blame for the fact that you’re all sweating bullets about how this election turns out? Look to the DNC when you want to point fingers, not the people who they’re trying to sucker into voting for the damage control option every four years.
"Please don't blame me for standing by as fascists ascend to power, I don't want to take responsibility for my actions"
Voting is about using your power as a citizen to improve the country. Civic duty - not a popularity contest.
He's not the one standing by. It's the DNC that chose the only candidate that could lose to Trump because they feel he is entitled to it. Just like they chose Hillary in 2016 because it was "her time." These are losses brought on by themselves that affects everyone. Don't be mad at the voters, be mad at the party that is struggling to beat an insurrectionist with multiple ongoing criminal court cases.
... do you not remember that Hillary was elected in the primary?
Jesus fucking Christ.
Signed, a 2016 and 2020 Bernie voter.
Yes, I remember the super delegates that they got rid of because they were used to tip the scales and the DNC giving Hillary the debate questions before the debates so she could be extra prepared.
Also a 2016 and 2020 Bernie voter and donor.
Clearly you don't remember, since Hillary won the greater number of elected delegates, and the 'Super Delegates' only ended up relevant as a Hail Mary pass for the Bernie campaign.
You're the one not remembering... The super delegates were all called extremely early in the race for Hilary in an attempt to make it look like Bernie was so far behind he could never catch up.
And he didn't.
You're ready to hand over the USA to christofascists because Bernie was a worse campaigner than Hillary. That's pathetic, you sore loser.
I say this as someone who donated over $1000 to Bernie in 2016.
Thank you for covering my poor 25$ donating ass in 2016 o7
I have never once said that. I have said the opposite several times.
Isn’t it weird to you that not even Bernie says or thinks this?
That Bernie continues to work with the very folks you refuse to vote for? Almost like it’s not an issue to the very person it should be…
Almost like you’ve got it wrong and even Bernie has moved on to do more for your political views by collaborating WITH the very dems you refuse to support.
Bernie and people like him are accomplishing more for your political goals by working WITH the DNC. Accomplishing more than you will ever accomplish with your sanctimonious BS pretending like the DNC made you a victim.
I never said that... I've said the opposite. Now you're arguing against points I never said or made.
Sorry someone else in the same thread, making the same points as you, claimed it was their civic duty to not vote. Suppose with all the complaining about non-issues / cutting-noses-to-spite-faces going on, must have gotten confused. You really do not sound like someone advocating FOR voting dem. You must be that easily confusable for others advocating against…
By all means keep going on about false superdelegate shit, and how the DNC is everyone’s real problem because you mean to help so much.
I didn't say that either. I've simply said that if Biden loses, it's not the fault of the voters, but it's the fault of the party and the candidate for not earning enough voters to win.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy and you’re certainly doing your part. Cause the voters can’t be blamed for thinking the very things this thread repeats over and over.
EXCEPT THEY DID AND HE ALREADY BEAT TRUMP ONCE. People do want to vote for Biden but here you are painting the whole party as bad because of polls that have been off for years.
All based on polling that also said we’d have a red wave in 2020… So while Biden out fundraises 5:1, while democrats keep winning special elections in red states, while republicans get worse and worse you’re constantly saying “dem party is bad, it’s not the voters fault” and trying very hard to paint a picture of how bad Biden is. Like I said it’s hard to tell you apart from the guy saying don’t vote.
And what does that have to do with this election? Biden won when voters were fed up with Trump's poor handling of COVID-19. Those were very different times.
Except I'm not.
Again, I'm not saying that.
Again I'm not
Because you're not reading what I've written and have built some weird strawman in place of it. I have very clearly said that I will vote for Biden, but if Biden loses it is the party's fault for not having a good enough candidate. Pay attention to the words in that last sentence, specifically the if. I have not said he will lose or that I want him to lose.
You said run someone voters want to vote for, I provided an example of how VOTERS already said that’s Joe Biden, but you think that shouldn’t count because you know what every voter thinks. Also for some reason it’s VERY important that everyone knows how much you expect him to lose.
You are certainly not saying anything good about Biden and in a thread full of “BuT HiLlArY ChEaTeD!” You def seem eager to shit all over Biden and how stupid the dnc is to run him, so yea you are calling the party bad. You don’t mention any accomplishments of the current admin or the party that could be reasons why shitty past polling can be taken with a grain of salt. No just that you will begrudgingly vote for who you feel everyone needs to know is the main reason why they’ll lose.
I’m not making a straw man out of you not making any point other than associating negative shit to Biden and his party, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Congrats, while you claim to vote for the candidate you also feel compelled to shout is the main reason dems would lose… you still sound just like the guy saying the same thing and then concluding they shouldn’t vote at all.
Do you even read what I write? I didn't say that either.
I didn't say that either.
You are projecting a lot of insecurities on me that I haven't said.
Except I haven't done that either.
I haven't said that either.
What about this are you not getting? I have only said that IF Biden loses it is not the fault of the voters it is the fault of the party, this includes the DNC and the primary voters, for choosing a candidate that wasn't good enough. This in no way applies only to Biden. It in fact applies to all candidates that have ever run. It is not the job of the voters to vote for who a party, any party, wants them to vote for. It is the job of the party to earn the vote of the voters.
It was me. I said I was honoring my civic duty by abstaining. You’re so mad about it that you didn’t bother checking who you’re replying to.
Well, I’m mad too.
What am I supposed to do about it? I keep getting told that if I just bite the bullet (again) and vote the way you tell me (again) then things will get better.
So I do.
And they don’t. Not for me.
I watch everyone’s boats rise, but I still have the same holes in mine and nobody is tossing me the supplies that I clearly don’t have to fix it even though I did what you told me. Good for you all. Really.
But after this many times, why do it again?
I was using it as a point that you both sound the same. I’m not mad, just annoyed with the lazy mindset and victim complex. Stop whining about it.
You need a lesson. The DNC conspired against Bernie Sanders the moment it was clear he was a threat to Hillary and did it so goddamned hard that there was a lawsuit about it.
A lawsuit that ended with the defense: “The DNC is a private entity so we’re allowed to do whatever we want.”
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/clinton-campaign-blames-russia-wikileaks-sanders-dnc-emails
Please explain why they deserve to continue existing.
I don't think you replied to the right person. I would argue against any of this. In fact I brought up points that support what you're saying here.
Then don't fucking complain when people do it.
Putting fascists in power is improving the country? Wow. This is some brave new form of leftism, I guess, that I'm just too right-wing to understand.
Making white liberals uncomfortable enough to bring them to the table to negotiate by threatening not to cast a ballot for them is certainly improving things.
Fucking lmao.
You can laugh -god knows we all need something to laugh at- but look at how fucking irate y'all get about it.
Yeah, we get so irate about the prospect of fascism. Silly us. We should be like the REAL enlightened leftists, and cheer fascism's rise on.
My turn- LMAO if you think voting for biden will put an end to fascism.
Forgive me for seeing "Not putting fascism forward another ten steps" as better than "Putting fascism forward another ten steps".
Voting is a chess move, not a love letter, although I doubt you're actually a US citizen.
I certainly hope you aren't a minority that will lose their citizenship & be exiled under Trump's Project 2025.
I’m not the Chess Master. I’m a pawn. I’m sacrificed and threatened and told if I don’t do what I need to all the time always then the other side wins.
So I’m not going to move the way I’m told until I get something I want.
I’m a minority setting myself on fire every election. This time I’m inclined to have others burn with me.
So you want them to vote for someone they don't like just because it's who the party picked? That's what privilege looks like.