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[–] [email protected] 137 points 1 year ago (4 children)

saw someone say maybe another trump win is good because it will mobilize the left a little more

threw up in my mouth a bit through the tears

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a round about way of saying they want a civil war.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (10 children)

A lot of those types of leftists fantasize about a glorious revolution, but many revolutions have happened and no utopias exist so…

I think Contrapoints made the same argument in one of her videos.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (99 children)

Agreed. I would add to that -- there's actually an incredibly instructive example to draw by looking at the non-violent-revolutionary movements that did achieve big social change in the past. The US labor movement in the late 1800s, Gandhi's independence movement, the US civil rights movement with its partial victory, things like that. There are a ton of examples of people who achieved big things to revise the systems that rule their daily lives, starting from a way less advantaged position than the left in the modern day US. It's not easy, no, but compared to an Indian person under the British Raj it's an absolute cakewalk.

Strangely enough, the people who are so incredibly upset with the broken system in the US as it pertains to this election (which, yeah, I get that), are somehow totally uninterested in looking at what actions big or small might produce positive change. They're solely focused on criticizing Biden and only Biden, or on saying that it's so broken that we might as well let Trump come to power because what's the difference.

It's like "The plane is having engine trouble and I don't know if we're going to make it. I'm real scared and upset about the situation we're in. I know! Let's shoot the pilot in the head."

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wasn't the us labor movement violent? I seem to remember something about troops firing on striking miners.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

All those armchair warriors that have a couple guns and say they're ready for the revolution, but aren't even participating in any activism besides edgelording on forums.

Sure you are, champ. Sure you are. Why don't you instacart yourself some hot pockets and a gallon of ice cream.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (14 children)

The trolls ive spoken to here are afraid of leftist solidarity. They claim they want change, but whine and cry the second you call for all roads for change to be taken. Mutual aid, direct action, and voting are praxis. We will have an impossible time trying to get any of those first 2 done under dumbass.

As someone on the far end of the left spectrum, any and all leftward movement must be embraced at all opportunities. How am i to convince anyone to work together with me, if I shit on their methods? All must be embraced. Some will be more effective, some less, but thats how we make connections.

Its about time this country learned what solidarity is.

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Majority of People: I want a pony.

Candidate 1: I'm going to kill all the ponies.

Candidate 2: I won't do that, and will try to make ponies more affordable (because price-fixing the cost of ponies is not within my constitutional powers)

Leftist: "But that's not good enough! I want a free pony. And a blowjob. I'm voting 3rd party 😤"

[–] [email protected] 97 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (32 children)

Do keep in mind these aggressive purist Gatekeeping / no true Scot leftists are very often just right-wing astroturfers. It hits two birds with one stone: they make leftism obnoxious, they often muddy the waters of violence, and wedge-drive the Democratic coalition to get Trump elected.

Either that or they're very young and naive.

Don't fall for it. You'll see more of this the closer the election gets.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh, I'm not fooled (for the most part, anyway). I'm just giving the benefit of doubt and calling them out using their own arguments and trying to not make any assumptions or accusations.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The problem is they don't often argue in good faith. Usually deflection and gish-gallop are their MO. So be concise and be mindful of the bystander audience.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Candidate 1: I will keep giving guns to the people killing ponies but I will feel bad about it and criticize them sometimes

Candidate 2: I will give the guns and not feel bad.

Leftist: hey can anyone just, you know, not help people kill ponies?

Centrist: omg I can't believe you're asking for so much from your candidates. Your ideological purity is the real enemy here. I bet you don't even care about ponies

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Candidate 2: I’m going to give guns and money to the person killing ponies but tell them they shouldn’t do it.

Leftist: Either way ponies are going to be killed. Let’s try something different.

Centrist: Noooo, you have to vote for the proxy pony killer who can’t use his position to do anything or else you’ll get a pony killer in power who’ll use his position to do everything.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Leftist: Either way ponies are going to be killed. Let’s try something different.

"Something different" here meaning "handing over the position to the worse of the two options".

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Already had a tankie tell me they're voting 3rd party.

Putin thanks them while Ukrainians and Palestinians weep.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Don't worry, tankies love Russia's Legitimate Security Interests in performing genocide in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (20 children)

One literally hopped on a sock-puppet account immediately after I reported their other account for spam (several replies to each comment) and blocking his account and just continued with the same nonsense.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

This is going to happen every election for the foreseeable future. Trump is not a illness he's a symptom. Eventually a right winger is going to win because we're stuck voting for a party that often ignores their constituents for business interests. That's how we got Trump in the first place and the DNC learned nothing.

All the while we could vote third party like in most healthy democracies but we can't because neither of the major parties want a third party and voters are to cowardly to vote 3rd party because "they won't win anyway" even when they actually represent what they want in a on policy. See Nader and Bernie

Fact is neither Democrat or Republican is going to attempt to change s system that actively benefits them, especially in the higher positions of authority. The fact that voting 3rd party is considered throwing away your vote should be more embarrassing to Americans as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not "considered" throwing your vote away. Under a FPTP voting system, it is throwing your vote away. Nobody who tells you that says it gleefully like we just love that we and you can't vote third party effectively. It's just the mathematical reality of our voting system and it has to be changed before voting third party becomes an option that is anything but symbolic and self-defeating.

The DNC is not the ephemereal vague boogeyman the left tries to make it out to be. It's an organization focused on winning elections and accomplishing policies for the Democratic constituency. You are making the mistake of hating the player instead of the game.

If third party votes are important to you, join a local political group focused on expanding another voting choice method like Ranked Choice or STAR voting. You're already on the easier half of the ideological spectrum to wage this fight from, since most sponsors of alternatives are from democratic groups.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Please, for the love of god, be good enough to vote for.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Sorry best we can do is give you someone bad enough to vote against.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Leftists who won't vote are saying:

"Making a political statement is worth not only having Trump for president for the next four years, but living under a Trump for the rest of my life or fighting another world war to escape it."

"I'm so mad at the current president for doing genocide that I'm going to stand down and tacitly support his other opponent to do genocide instead."

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If Biden loses, that's his and the DNC's loss. It's up to them to field a candidate that people want to vote for. It's not up to the voters to go along with whatever the DNC feels like they want. I will be voting Biden because it's too important. If he loses, I will blame him for running, not the voters. The polling was clear, undeclared Democrat polled much higher than Biden, but for some reason he has main character complex and thought he was the only one that could beat Trump when in reality he might be the only person that can lose to Trump.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (80 children)

If Biden loses, that’s his and the DNC’s loss.

Oh, and also the loss of all of the rest of us who will suffer under another Trump administration.

But fuck the poor, minorities, LGBT folk. We have to show the DNC how principled we are by making sure a fascist is elected!

It’s not up to the voters to go along with whatever the DNC feels like they want.

It's up to the voters to make an informed fucking choice. That's the point of citizenship. Voting isn't a fucking popularity contest, it's a civic duty.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (80 children)

Whether you blame Biden and the DNC, or the “left” voters for not voting hard enough; if Trump wins, it won’t matter. Get over yourself and try to build allies instead of destroying support.

Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Please vote. I don't live in the US but this election is likely to impact the safety of my family.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Brav-fucking-O. 100% this. I get comments removed for saying exactly this in other communities, but it’s 100% accurate from what I see.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Liberals: "We don't need your votes anyway." Also "Liberals please vote, don't protest and don't criticize Joe Biden or you're helping Trump"

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I'm childish enough that I'm irritated at my comment here being removed. Here's the comment, which also applies to this meme:

You know that weak support for Hindenburg's party was what let Hitler come to power, right?

Not that I agree that Biden is a lesser evil, but even within those parameters, there's an absolutely glaring flaw in bringing up Nazi Germany while making the case that voting for the lesser evil is a bad idea

And when he asked for clarification:

My point is that the holocaust that gave rise to Niemöller's quote in the first place happened because of weakened resistance from the SPD (the establishment left), which wasn't getting support from the far-left of its day because it wasn't left enough. When as a result the fascist party gained control, it put all the far-left people in camps, outlawed the SPD, and began killing people by the millions. Which in retrospect made the complaint that the establishment left wasn't left enough to support, even against literal Hitler, seem short sighted.

Mod banned me. 🙂

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ah yes. Its the leftists fault that Biden is running his campaign and his presidency in such a way as to cause people to not want to vote for him.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (14 children)

But if you say you're voting for who you actually believe in, and it's not one of the two, you're also "throwing your vote away" according to many. Anytime I see this all I see is blackmail. "Vote my way or bad things will happen".

It's not a choice, it's coercion. One side actively threatens it and the other side passively threatens it. It's all just threats if you don't fall in line.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It’s not a choice, it’s coercion.

Math is coercion, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

"Being practical" and "harm reduction" seem to also be coersion, too.

If my heart had its way, I'd be voting Peace and Freedom Party. But it doesn't, so I'll be voting for Joe Biden. And that is that.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not blackmail, it's reality. No one is threatening you just explaining what's going to happen.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Nobody, at least seriously, is threatening YOU to vote a specific way. The threat comes from one candidate specifically, of which our glorious 2 party system has confirmed will ONLY be one of those two. And he isn’t threatening YOU, but rather our entire way of life. So, go ahead and vote however you want. Just know the repercussions on the grand scale, and maybe be a little humble.

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