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There will be no surprised Pikachu faces because anyone out there protesting values innocent human lives more than a suspension, expulsion, or unjust criminal charges unto them.
I think you might not get protesting.
If that’s really true, why weren’t they protesting when the saudis were bombing the hell out of Yemen?
Whatabout whatabout whatabout.
Jfc read a list before trying to argue with people. You're embarrassing yourself.
I mean, does it really make a difference? I agree that more things like this should be protested. But even if you think they're hypocrites that doesn't mean they're wrong now. Put it this way: if they had protested the Saudis, would this protest be totally cool with you?
And obviously the answer is because their university and government are backing and funding this one. If you can't see the difference in relevance to the average American you have a serious problem.
That’s a good point, we should be ending our relationship with both Israel and the Saudis! Both countries are constantly violating established human rights, according to international law.
Thank you correct. At least you’re consistent
You pointed at another bad thing and somehow that means that we shouldn’t care about this bad thing?
So disingenuous as you know that you’d be against people protesting that too.
So let’s say the protest works. There’s a cease fire. Good job everyone. So smart and ethically superior.
Now that you’ve all made the world a better place, what is going to happen to the innocent Israeli hostages that Hamas has?
What will happen if Hamas continue to fire rockets into Israel? Like they always have?
If you can’t answer these questions it’s not really because you can’t, it’s because you won’t. It’s a bad faith discussion.
I’m assuming you’re ok with Hamas stealing and diverting the international aid that was intended for improving the lives of Palestinians and diverting it themselves and buying rockets and launching more October 7th style attacks in the future.
I’m sure you’ve all thought this through like the smart people you are.
I would expect them to returned, post haste.
Hamas likely will keep firing rockets, as killing thousands of children will tend to make their fathers turn pro-Hamas.
It seems to me that you think that whilst the hostages are not returned then the killing should continue, is that right?
As for the rest of your points, yes I have thought about them, no I don’t support Hamas. Someone that can put it better than me is Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish man and arguably the foremost expert on the conflict and certainly the most well read. You should check him out if you really are open to listening to a counter argument to the msm.
Will do. And yes I think the innocent civilian hostages should be returned before the attack on the people who kidnapped them and killed 1800 others still exist. In the Lemmy bubble the hostages are non existent for some reason? Probably because innocent people can’t kidnap and murder other innocent people. The other thing is Hamas must be destroyed. Hamas broke the cease fire. They knew this would happen. They happily used the innocent Palestinians as collateral to advance their own cause.
Do I think a genocide is even taking place? Yes and no. I think there have been some poor actions taken by a small number of idf personal who probably want a genocide, I think this is the exception not the rule, this is normal (not right) for every war. Do I support a genocide? Fuck no. The problem that Israel has is they are fighting an enemy that has many shades of grey. Hamas must be destroyed. The Palestine people have strong support for Hamas which also means they likely support what Hamas did on October 7th. Many may be indirectly helping Hamas - even if they fall just short of picking up a gun or deploying an ied themselves. Should these people be spared?
The US doesn't finance Saudis bombing Yemen.
Did Hamas value innocent human lives on October 7th?
See, I still don't see you getting the whole protesting thing, here.
Let's not try and pigeon-hole our way out of making ourselves look dumb by making ourselves look dumber, now...
Why does this type of question get deflected? Do you support what Hamas did on October 8? Person who values innocent lives
Your question gets deflected because it isn't asked in good faith. (Read: you're not good at trolling.)
Our comment thread is about you not understanding what a protest is, why people do it, and the societal function it serves.
Your inability to stick to that topic in this thread is yours to own and no one else's. It is you failing to stay in topic.
Your whining about topics I am not discussing with you is more logical fallacy, which makes everything you say thereafter have less credibility to everyone who sees it. This is why you will end up with a righteous amount of downvotes.
I wouldn't bother responding to this, unless that's some kind ego thing you can't ignore. I certainly won't be reading anything more from you.
Damn son
That’s what I said!
Palestine is not Hamas. Can you imagine what it would be like for those who live in the US if everyone were held guilty of crimes the US has committed against the world?
Did the average civilian just living their life have anything to do with it?
Hey, if they want to lump innocent people in with the actions of their government, then I’m ok with that as long as they apply it to the Israeli population as well. The only question is, how do they think we should punish innocent Israelis for what their right-wing government is doing?
Oh wait, they wouldn’t like that because most Israelis aren’t Arab. How could I forget.
Well 1200 or so Israeli’s died from the Hamas terrorist attack on October 7, and so far Israel has retaliated 30 fold by killing about 32,500 Palestinians. If the Palestinians were to respond in kind that would be about 975,000 Israeli’s.
So to be clear. Israel is only allowed to kill 1200 people? Anything more and they are somehow morally inferior to Hamas who broke a long standing cease fire so they could take the opportunity to rampage through civilian towns and going on a killing spree of innocent civilians. It’s so fucking insane. If only you could hear yourselves through the hypocrisy. Both sides suck.
2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinians in a long time, and that was before October. There was no ceasefire.
Come on dude stop being a dolt.
Israel has claimed to be the most moral army in the world.
If you are now comparing the IDF to a terrorist organization, then I understand why…. It’s because Israeli government and the IDF are a genocidal regime.
Yes they attacked a wealthy nation where it’s mandatory for every citizen joins the military for 32 months. It was beyond stupid.
Condemn the actions of Hamas and surrender the locations of the Hamas leaders and Israel may stop the attacks. However, this foolish war Hamas started/escalated may have just cost the Palestinian people Gaza.
I'm not. It's super fucked up. How exactly does more innocent people dying help?
Maybe we should ask civilian Shani Nicole Louk.
Oh but we can’t because her naked corpse was last seen in the back of a Hamas fighter’s truck being spit on by dozens of cheering Palestinians.
That image will haunt me the rest of my life. I can’t Imagine the rage born within an Israeli from that absolutely vile video.
Hamas not valuing human life = bad, evil people
Israel not valuing human life = totally reasonable and good behaviour
You wouldn't recognise consistency if it was banging out a 4/4 beat on your nutsack
You clearly don't