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Yeah, dead giveaway. I hate to say it, but I have never once met or even heard of a man that was staunchly and loudly feminist that wasn't compensating for their abusive sexual proclivities or just trying to gaslight women into sex. To me its a giant red flag. Most good men believe in equal rights and treat people equally, but don't really go out of their way to convince the people around them that they're trustworthy, unless they want you to trust them so they can take advantage of you. Hardcore feminist men are nine times out of ten total fucking creeps, unfortunately.
Hmm, the psychology behind this claim is... Interesting.
Not surprised to see this coming from a conservative honestly
What makes you think I'm a conservative? I'm probably the farthest thing from a conservative you've ever spoken to on the internet. I must've hit a nerve here, seems like there are a lot of creeps masquerading as feminists hoping to get some puss out of it, can't have people putting their strategy out there.
I remember your previous comments but nice try
FYI when you write out a thesis about how no one could be doing something for a genuine reason then that reinforces previous reasons to think you're a conservative
I didn't say no one, I said 90%, and that I personally have never met one of those 10%. Plenty of people are genuine, just not most people loudly championing holier than thou causes.
So you're claiming that you've known a significant number of sexual assaulters but no other type of male who calls themselves a feminist?
Personally I could've seen your point if everything you wrote about it, along with past statements, hadn't rubbed me the wrong way. It was like you were just waiting to find a way to bring down "feminists".
Most men I know are what you'd call feminists. They don't beat their wives, don't expect women to be virgins, like women to have careers, that kind of stuff, comfortable and happy with competent, confident independent women and want that for their daughters. But none of them go out of their way to let everyone know how important women's rights are to them, and of the handful that I've met that did, I'd catch them salivating at 13 year olds, "false assault allegations" in their past, or just have an undeniable fucking creep vibe to them. This one high school teacher I met that got outraged at me over asking him if he's ever been attracted to a student is on the registry now for fucking underage students. There's one particularly prominent example that comes to mind (that I won't go into details about) that was by far the most culture warrior man I've ever met that turned out was a complete predator and scumbag who should be dead. Needless to say I don't hang around people once I get that kind of understanding of their character. These people have all been friend of a friend type acquaintances, and a few have been short term boyfriends of feministy female friends of mine who have agreed with my sentiment wholeheartedly since then.
You look at all the me too people in the public eye, almost every single one of them was out front with the activism. It's just my experience, people that go out of their way to let everyone know they're a Good Person™ usually have all kinds of unsavory shit they want to keep from getting out. It's like the preacher that's molesting little boys while telling people they'll burn for being gay, but the left leaning version.
Okay so you're all about suspicion toward people who need you to know their morals. So then what does it say about your need to let everyone know you're not like those "feminists"?
Also I don't think your me too comment checks out at all. Harvey Weinstein was not an "activist " for women. Nor was Kevin Spacey, R Kelly, Bill Cosby, Garrison Keillor, etc. the only example I can think of where you could have a point would be Louis CK. So yeah, far from "almost every single one of them".
And finally, you extrapolated all of this shit from that one sentence in the article... Not a good look
I don't need anyone to know anything about me. I just brought it up because it was something funny in the article about a sexually assaulting feminist.
Those men besides R Kelly all very much put themselves into pro feminist ads, made pro feminist public statements and the like.
I don't care of it's a good look, I'm just talking to people on the internet, sharing my lived experience lol
...TIL that's a thing (it's not)
I find it incredibly unlikely that anyone ever considered Harvey Fucking Weinstein to be a champion of women. It was actually quite well known that he was a pervert, if anything
I respect that chaotic neutral energy but occasionally it's worth the time figuring out how to throw the dice so your craps shoot doesn't land snake eyes.
Your anecdotal experiences do not translate into people as a whole.
I'd say it's a good heuristic, and one shared by many.
I'd say the fact that pretty much everyone here is disagreeing with you suggests the opposite is true.
This network is not a neutral place full of unbiased, rational people.
Nobody's really arguing as to how I'm wrong, just mostly drive by down voting and saying "nuhuh!" Also see TrickDacy above, who says he can see my point but is still arguing because he didn't like how I said it.
Interesting that you find your own anecdotal evidence to be valid, but the anecdotal evidence I presented, which can actually be demonstrated to be true rather than what you claim to be true but can't back up, is not valid.
I haven't seen you present a single anecdote at all.
One snake bite is an anecdote. Two snake bites is data. Snakes bite.
This would be the anecdote:
123 downvotes on your initial comment sounds like data to me.
Again, seems like you have a bit of a double-standard.
Downvotes is data lol this guy what were you born yesterday? That's not an anecdote man do you know what an anecdote is?
It is as much data as "people I talk to agree with me."
I said more than that and you know it.
What part of what you said is non-anecdotal? What part has actual evidence to back it up?
I just want to be in the screen shot of the copy pasta.
No you didn’t.
EDIT: yeah they did
They totally did.
Doh - yeah, they absolutely did. Edited.
When it quacks like a duck
The first name.that came.to my mind for someone like that was Hugo Schwyzer (I'm probably spelling that wrong) - he was very much a very outspoken feminist who made a point of drawing attention to how feminist he was at every opportunity. He was also a women's studies professor.
Honestly, some of his writing gave me the vibe of what it would sound like if you were a recovering addict and chose feminism as the higher power in your 12 step program.
Eventually it comes out that he nearly decided to murder-suicide an ex, and that he was a women's studies professor because it gave him access to an ever rotating stable of young, impressionable women to hook up with.
When he admitted to all that the wording again reminded me of 12 step program talk, like he was taking steps 5-7 publicly online because online feminism was the God he believed in for the program. It...didn't get the response I think he hoped for. Less absolution and more ostracism and banishment.
Hiding in plain sight is a saying for a reason. But sticking up for women's rights is not a dead giveaway that you are a rapist.
You just described the job of a stage magician.
That's an impressively cynical take, even for the internet. Think I've had enough for tonight, yeesh.
I'll bite. Give me 9 "hardcore feminist men" then.
You just described Trump, every televangelist, and anyone in business.
I don't disagree with your assessment.
Standing up for women's rights doesn't necessarily equal creep - that's what men should be doing. But you're not wrong that men who are overly vocal about saying they're a feminist are often creeps. It's kind of like the Nice Guy thing in my experience - if you have to tell me (ad nauseum) how nice you are, I'm definitely suspicious. Men who are actually feminists don't usually feel the need to say it 30 times in their dating profile, they're just out there living it and it'll be obvious to anyone paying attention.
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