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It's pretty rare for anyone to praise Biden on his own merits, especially on Lemmy. So maybe don't get so irate because in comparison to trump, people praise him
And yes you have every dog in this fight, the US is kinda fuckin important for global stability
The guys who fund terrorists and dictatorships all over the world are important to global stability, but not in the way you think.
You can try to pretend trump was good for the world because US bAd but he wasn't.
Who said Trump was good? Nobody in this thread, that's for damn sure
They're simping for him. They don't need to state the obvious directly for me to notice it
Pointing out the facts about Biden is not “simping” for that pile of shit Trump. It’s like when someone criticizes Biden, we’re required to also provide a list of why Trump is bad.
Have you seen the guy? He’s completely open about his quid pro quo corruption. He hired his entire family to positions of power because why not. He shared top secret documents like it was nothing, while hiding them at his shitty golf resort. He’s painfully fucking blatant and obvious about how shitty he is. We don’t need to supply a list of why he sucks because the dude is a cartoon supervillain. Trust me, when I talk about how shitty Genocide Joe is, I’m definitely not pushing for another 4 years of that asshole Trump.
The reason we have to point things out about Biden is because a ton of otherwise smart people have fallen for this nonsense that he’s somehow good, when he’s nothing but a covert shill for corporations and war, just like every candidate has to be when they become the president of the United States. People like me are tired of the kindergarten-level “if you’re not voting for Biden, you’re voting for Trump” logic that we have to hear on repeat on a daily basis. Why can’t they both be shit? Why can’t it simply be a conversation of why democracy in the US is dead and the fact that we need some sort of political revolution or a goddamn miracle at this point?
Making the assumption that we like A because we criticized B and vice versa is just stupid and dismissive. The world is not that black and white and everyone knows that. This kind of attitude is absolutely counterproductive to unhooking ourselves from these Groundhog Day elections every 4 years where we’re forced to pick from a right-winger or a right-winger.
It's a two party system and an election year. Not complicated
That’s reductive and defeatist as fuck. Third party candidates and parties exist. They don’t suddenly cease to exist simply because the 2 right-wing parties we’ve had forced upon us have gone out of their way to prevent them from participating. I don’t suddenly like Trump because I hate Biden and vice versa. I hate them both, just like I hate the fact that democracy in the US died years ago. Having to vote for 2 shades of fascism is not an actual valid choice and giving it merit is the equivalent of validating it as acceptable.
Also Biden being a fascist and the same as Trump= lol
they didn't say they're the same.
"two shades of fascism" is more extreme than saying they're the same. My bad
oh, they are both definitely fascist.
yes this is the lie so many of us hate and the same lie that will elect trump who is fucking infinitely worse. I won't argue back with any more smooth brains who say shit like this, I called you out on your lies and that's enough.
a modern nation state with a mechanized military is absolutely indistinguishable from fascism.
they will do whatever it takes to maintain the power of the state to field that military, so they will do whatever it takes to maintain the power of the state. everything else, the trappings of law and order, the facade of democratic control, the illusion of economic freedom, they will only exist so far as they are necessary to maintain state power.
under pax americana, our mutual defense treaties have relieved many states of the necessity of fielding their own military to the extent necessary to defend their state, but the mutual defense treaties make them absolutely complicit in the fascism of the states capable of defending them. in particular, the usa, but any other military power as well.
opposing the creep of outspoken politically fascist movements to seize the reigns of these technocratically fascist states is secondary, in my consideration, to the dismantling of the technocratic fascist states.
it seems that you are content to tolerate the fascist state so long as someone you can’t identify as politically fascist controls it. i am not.
This describes nearly every country that has ever existed, so how does the term have any meaning if you're right about this definition of fascism?
... this is a conversation about policy difference. Somehow by saying "actually there's a large difference" when there obviously is, means I have no issue with fascism? Nevermind that that would be an entirely separate topic that we only touched on because you brought it up apropos of nothing. I mean, that's just brain dead. Your official position:
"closing all the borders and eliminating all healthcare programs is literally the exact same as mostly maintaining the status quo then slowly adding improvements here and there. just like how boiling water is identical to lukewarm water."
I often wonder like what deluded thought process gets you from just going around saying smoothbrain bullshit like this and the perfect communist utopia you imagine? Are you actively eating lead every day or something? I don't even know how I'd turn my brain off like that if I wanted to.
When is the last time a third party got anywhere close to victory in a presidential election? I don't think they've broken 7% of votes in decades and decades. There is zero indication that would change so what are you talking about?
You ever stop and ask yourself why no other party or candidate stands a chance? It could perhaps be the decades of mental conditioning that has locked the working class into an infinite loop of “vote blue no matter who” and “let’s go Brandon” dipshittery, coupled with every propped up candidate being a corporate warmongering shill. It’s pay to play or piss off. It’s just wild to me that some people refuse to see it from their comfortable neolib and conservative bubbles.
I don't have to wonder about the concept of inertia. We can see it everywhere. I also don't wonder about whether or not I can defy it just by thinking happy thoughts and pissing my vote into the wind
Ah yes, the great and amazing third parties of the US. In this corner we've got the Libertarians, aka the "republicans that like weed and dislike age of consent laws" party, and in the other corner we have the Green Party, aka the "pops up every election year to complain how both sides are bad, before promptly returning to the ether upon the elections conclusion" party.
Such good options, I truly don't know why anyone wouldn't want to vote for one of those two. /s
I don’t care about who thinks what about them. It’s the fact that they are pushed out. It’s a system that has been hijacked to benefit the wealthy and no one else. If dumb people want to interpret that as “oh you want Trump to win,” I’ve got nothing for them. I’d put that fuck in the guillotine just as fast as I’d put Biden, Obama, Bush, and Hillary.
Wtf? The guy who blew up the general who beat ISIS while he was on a peace mission in a third country? The guy who escalated the drone warfare across Iraq and Syria? Who escalated the trade war with China?
No, America did not stop being an evil empire or start being good for global stability under Trump.
What the hell are you talking about? Nothing I said resembled trump support
You were implying Trump was good because the US is bad, but Trump's foreign policy was as destructive as every other presidents.
What the fuck are you smoking? Read better
That's... literally the exact opposite of what they said.
The US is currently the world's dominant Imperialist power, if "global stability" means extracting vast amounts of wealth from the global south then perhaps your idea of "global stability" needs to be reevaluated.
This is the laziest shit ever. It's very convenient to say that things are as simple as that but they obviously aren't.
I didn't say things were simple. I said the US is the largest Imperialist power in the world, which is true, and suggested reevaluating your world view.
The US is not holding onto hegemonic power for "stability," nations can govern themselves just fine. The US is holding onto hegemonic power for profit.
No, it's absolutely not simple, but it is glaringly obvious that pretending the US is important on the global stage for "stability" is purely a western viewpoint that ignores the US' contributions as a supporter of terrorism around the world whenever its profits are threatened.
Tankie gon' tank
What have I said makes me a tankie? Saying that the US is bad for the world, actually? That's all forms of Leftism, whether they be Anarchist, Marxist, or so forth.
If you're just going to resort to Ad Hominem instead of defending your claims or addressing my counters to them, why even reply?
Any time someone wants to immediately move the conversation toward "us interests are evil" it's pretty obvious there's an agenda.
What agenda do I have when you made the incredibly evil claim that the US is important for "global stability?" If you just walk through life making knee-jerk reactions every time someone points out something you said is wrong, rather than engaging with the points brought up, what do you hope to accomplish?
Lol no I don't waste time making arguments to most trolls, you've continued to demonstrate a complete lack of openness so yeah I won't get sucked into your manifesto
"It's incredibly evil to suggest the Middle East is not something we want to fuck around with, for the world's sake" lmao
I'm sure this means to you that I supported all the US involvements there but you can save it. Literally nothing a tankie says matters
How have I been a "troll?"
How have I demonstrated a "lack of openness?"
How have I suggested that US Imperialism is a good thing?
How have I been a "tankie?"