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[–] Maestro@fedia.io 62 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Probably still better than the fascist GOP alternatives though

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Ah yes the non Fascist Democrats sanctioning the ICC.

Slightly more "moderate" Fascists are Fascists as well.

Democrats are more right wing than 2016 Republicans right now. It's time to abandon this myth that voting for them is somehow going to fix anything.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Democrats are more right wing than 2016 Republicans right now.

Lmaoo. What a disingenuous argument.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Bro we're just sanctioning the ICC for proscecuting war criminals. We're abusing presidential powers to ship weapons used to commit Genocide and also abuse those power to bypass congress the same way Trump did. Just abusing presidential powers to implement illegal border policies. Bro stop nitpicking you only mentioned like 5 things you can't even mention 6 things bro.

[–] thejml@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not a fan of Biden, but he’s not the one shipping the weapon’s. Congress approved that, he held it back for a little until Congress started working toward a bill to force him to ship them and he relented. Should have stuck to his guns, imho and let them pass the bill to overrule him so it’d look bad on Congress for doing it, but the sad thing is that he’d just look like he was in the way of what a large portion of the country apparently wants. The GOP is all about being on Israel’s side.

The president doesn’t have as much power as people think he does.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Let's ignore the multiple times he's bypassed Congress to ship weapons. Israel is getting the stooge they've paid $12m for

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The president has more power than you think he does. And Biden made sure to abuse it for Fascist policies

The Biden administration once again bypasses Congress on an emergency weapons sale to Israel

US uses loophole to keep 100 arms sales to Israel under the radar amid Gaza war - Biden administration not required to disclose sales below set dollar amount, in addition to public shipments worth over $573m

We even have Biden going full Trump mode just yesterday:

Biden Uses Trump 'Muslim Ban' Maneuver to Cap Asylum Seekers

But when Biden does the things we were in shambles about when Trump did them, it's okay right?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Aside from a few blind idiots I think most people are seeing those things and saying "wow Biden REALLY wants to lose huh...

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Biden is just starting the car for Trump and making sure the Fascism engine is running smoothly before Orange Man even sits down in the driver seat.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 10 points 10 months ago

The time to fix that is before and during the primaries. When you're in the booth with a choice between a Democrat and a Republican, the choice should be obvious

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yet neither is worthy of support.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This attitude is why we keep getting pulled further to the right.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

That’s literally what voting for the lesser of two evils does.

If you want to start moving to the left, you need to vote for a left wing party.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Splitting the vote isn't going to win you any elections.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Giving up the vote isn’t going to turn the country left.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Please name a left leaning party in the US that has a realistic chance of beating Trump and I'll vote for them

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You have none.

And you will continue to never have one if every leftist blindly votes for the Dems.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you say that as a US resident, you either don’t understand how our electoral system works, or you’re trying to push some fifth column bullshit.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Your electoral system will not magically change and improve.

Please by all means keep doing the same thing you’ve always done, it’s not like America is one of the most right wing countries in the world and shifts further right each year regardless of who is in charge.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago

Or vote farther left in the primaries, dragging the dems left kicking and screaming

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

True but it is sad that the only left leaning party (that can get elected at least) still has members and a president ok with what they are seeing.

For sure better than literal Nazis but we need to do better.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Maybe, but that argument is getting harder and harder for neoliberals to make as the DNC continues trying to court the far-right on things like immigration, genocide and corporate welfare. They've done such an incompetent job of protecting our most basic freedoms from fascists that it makes it hard to claim they aren't complicit.

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

What good is there to voting blue when they, in turn, actually do support fascism? which is exactly what they did here