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[–] [email protected] 149 points 9 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Probably still better than the fascist GOP alternatives though

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Ah yes the non Fascist Democrats sanctioning the ICC.

Slightly more "moderate" Fascists are Fascists as well.

Democrats are more right wing than 2016 Republicans right now. It's time to abandon this myth that voting for them is somehow going to fix anything.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Democrats are more right wing than 2016 Republicans right now.

Lmaoo. What a disingenuous argument.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Bro we're just sanctioning the ICC for proscecuting war criminals. We're abusing presidential powers to ship weapons used to commit Genocide and also abuse those power to bypass congress the same way Trump did. Just abusing presidential powers to implement illegal border policies. Bro stop nitpicking you only mentioned like 5 things you can't even mention 6 things bro.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not a fan of Biden, but he’s not the one shipping the weapon’s. Congress approved that, he held it back for a little until Congress started working toward a bill to force him to ship them and he relented. Should have stuck to his guns, imho and let them pass the bill to overrule him so it’d look bad on Congress for doing it, but the sad thing is that he’d just look like he was in the way of what a large portion of the country apparently wants. The GOP is all about being on Israel’s side.

The president doesn’t have as much power as people think he does.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Let's ignore the multiple times he's bypassed Congress to ship weapons. Israel is getting the stooge they've paid $12m for

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The president has more power than you think he does. And Biden made sure to abuse it for Fascist policies

The Biden administration once again bypasses Congress on an emergency weapons sale to Israel

US uses loophole to keep 100 arms sales to Israel under the radar amid Gaza war - Biden administration not required to disclose sales below set dollar amount, in addition to public shipments worth over $573m

We even have Biden going full Trump mode just yesterday:

Biden Uses Trump 'Muslim Ban' Maneuver to Cap Asylum Seekers

But when Biden does the things we were in shambles about when Trump did them, it's okay right?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

The time to fix that is before and during the primaries. When you're in the booth with a choice between a Democrat and a Republican, the choice should be obvious

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yet neither is worthy of support.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (8 children)

This attitude is why we keep getting pulled further to the right.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

True but it is sad that the only left leaning party (that can get elected at least) still has members and a president ok with what they are seeing.

For sure better than literal Nazis but we need to do better.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Maybe, but that argument is getting harder and harder for neoliberals to make as the DNC continues trying to court the far-right on things like immigration, genocide and corporate welfare. They've done such an incompetent job of protecting our most basic freedoms from fascists that it makes it hard to claim they aren't complicit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

What good is there to voting blue when they, in turn, actually do support fascism? which is exactly what they did here

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Yes. By all means primary one of those democrats who voted for this out if you can, but if you got to the general election and the choice was between a pro Israel Republican and pro Israel Democrat, it would still be way better to pick the dem.

100% of house Republicans voted for this, while only 20% of house Democrats did. Right now the Republicans control what bills come to the floor for a vote since they have a majority. If Democrats had the majority and controlled the speakership, this bill never would have even come up for a vote in the first place since so few in their caucus support it overall. A pro Israel dem is not ideal, but at least helps ensure the 100% pro Israel (and a bajillion other reasons for being horrible besides this issue) Republicans don't control the agenda for what bills come up in the house and senate.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

Let me tell you how absolutely "shocked" I am to see Wasserman Schultz on the list of dems that voted for this. /s

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 9 months ago (11 children)

imagine sanctioning the ICC but not Netanyahu. Evil

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is how it looks like to be in the wrong side of history.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 9 months ago (3 children)

We're learning in real time that the ICC and UN are great tools, until they disagree with you, at which point they can be ignored and even threatened.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's what all the baddie countries do.

Next it'll be Team America putting Hans Blix in a shark tank.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Khan (ICC Chief Prosecutor) told CNN that an unnamed official had told him the ICC was “built for Africa and for thugs like Putin”.

Source (timestamped: 19:00) https://youtu.be/6BquEw4kNNE?si=xA2MKh03QAXkENvG&t=1140

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Which shows that this "unnamed official" was dumb as fuck and didn't do his homework.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

What do you mean by "didn't do his homework"? That "unnamed official" was clearly racist as fuck. Not sure about dumb, but definitely racist.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago

Rules for thee, not for me.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act, led by Texas Republican Rep. Chip Roy, would require mandatory sanctions and visa restrictions on any foreign person working or providing funds for the ICC in prosecutions against the U.S., Israel or any other U.S. ally that is not party to the ICC.

Oh no, anything but that.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago

Way to take decisive action on important issues.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

His is it they can sanction the ICC but when SCOTUS judges flaunt their corruption, they're all "welp nothing we can do lol."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

If only this convinced skeptics in the EU that we need to further integrate our Union and stand stronger against this bullshit from the USA

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (4 children)

@[email protected] Hey look it's the Dems voting for the thing you said they weren't voting for. Again.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

About 25% of Democrats compared to 100% of Republicans. But sure, go off about how the Democrats are the bad guys here

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Mhhh move that goalpost baby.

Natanael thought it was really important to mention to me that Democrats don't do this "Republican" stuff. He specifically mentioned this specific ICC sanctioning to distinguish the Democrats and Republicans. Surely he will change his mind right now right?

When 25% of your party is down with sanctioning the institution prosecuting Genocidal war criminals which will very likely be convicted for Genocide in the future, it's Nein o clock.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In a contest between self-interest and international law, self-interest wins with this very tribal group.

I wish they could be better.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I guess I’m gonna have to start practicing a New Zealand accent so I can travel in peace. G’day, mate! Wait, no. That’s wrong.

Is there a Duolingo for picking up an accent? Or maybe I can do something else. How much Buckfast do I need to drink before I sound Scottish?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Meamwhile ICC has arrest warrant for Putin. Those reps are honorable members of United Russia.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

House has had their heads firmly embedded in their asses for so long now theres no use trying to yank them out

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