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Progressive Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) announced Wednesday that there are currently enough votes in the Senate to suspend the filibuster to codify Roe v. Wade and abortion rights if Democrats win control of the House and keep the Senate and White House.

“We will suspend the filibuster. We have the votes for that on Roe v. Wade,” Warren said on ABC’s “The View.”

She said if Democrats control the White House and both chambers of Congress in 2025, “the first vote Democrats will take in the Senate, the first substantive vote, will be to make Roe v. Wade law of the land again in America.”

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

As always, they are actually bound by the rules of our government. Checks and balances. They can't just do something, they need the numbers. They are stating their intent on what they'll do if voters give them the numbers.

Because it's entirely in voters hands now. There is no bipartisanship to be had. We need absolute majorities, even super majorities if we actually want to truly fix things like our blatantly corrupt SCOTUS.

Voting matters.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

they are actually bound

Checks and balances

They can't

they need the numbers

stating their intent

if voters give them the numbers

in voters hands

need absolute majorities

Voting matters

So many fucking tired excuses and so much blaming the voters for the people they elected not representing them faithfully 🤦

It is the job of politicians to earn the faith of voters and then repay that faith by representing the will of the people.

It's not the job of voters to reward them for decades of bad deals and for always giving up in advance "because we just don't have the votes" by voting for more conservative Democrats who will just do the same bullshit with the same excuses and victim blaming.

There is no bipartisanship to be had.

Tell that to the Dem leadership and their pet media who act like compromise for the sake of compromise is the highest political virtue even now that the other party is a literal fascist party 🤬

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And that's a whole lot of ignoring reality on your part.

Our government, for better AND for worse, was structured so that a president couldn't go rogue and do whatever they want. For most mundane things, they need a simple majority in both houses. For serious rewriting of fundamental rules (amendments), you need super majorities. And a SCOTUS to safeguard.

This is so that the next Nixon, the next Trump (who might just be Trump) can't single handedly upend this country and bend it to their wills. Like Putin did.

However, the GOP has corrupted all branches, all levels of the courts, including SCOTUS. This is why they get away with all the shit that they do, while the Dems seem impotent. Because they have spent generations undermining our checks and balances while the Dems have mostly played fair, albeit with a fair amount of corporate subservience.

You rage against a machine without understanding the parameters. The Dems are shackled by law. And the key to it all was the GOP owning the SCOTUS, thanks to all you conscientious objectors that let Trump gain power and heavily stack the courts. Because you think both parties are the fucking same.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Our government, for better AND for worse, was structured so that a president couldn't go rogue and do whatever they want.

No longer, apparently.

However, the GOP has corrupted all branches, all levels of the courts, including SCOTUS.

True. Because the Dems have let them by not fighting back.

This is why they get away with all the shit that they do, while the Dems ~~seem~~ act impotent.

Fixed that for you.

Because they have spent generations undermining our checks and balances while the Dems have ~~mostly played fair~~ done fuck-all

Fixed that one for you as well. Weird that you keep making mistakes that excuse the spineless inaction of the Dems 🤔

albeit with a ~~fair~~ huge amount of corporate subservience

Finally being halfway honest about their fault in this. Let's see if it lasts.

The Dems are shackled by law

Nope, didn't even last two sentences. They're shackling themselves and blaming things like rules, procedures and rotating villains that are within their power to change or overcome.

thanks to all you conscientious objectors that let Trump gain power

I was wondering when that particular victim blaming strawman was gonna rear its ugly head..

For the record, I've never not voted or told others not to vote.

And the vast majority of Bernie voters voted for Hillary in the general. Unlike Hillary's PUMA and others, who voted for McCain or not at all in much bigger percentages.

Because you think both parties are the fucking same.

Another strawman.

Just because I realize that the Dems are doing an awful job doesn't mean that I think they're anywhere near as awful as the literal fascists on the other side of the aisle. I don't.

Conversely, though, the other party being a literal fascist party doesn't mean that we should demand less from Dems. On the contrary, this is when we MOST need them to fight tooth and nail and get things done!

a whole lot of ignoring reality on your part

I'm not the one doing that, apparatchik.

You rage against a machine without understanding the parameters

I understand just fine. You, on the other hand, reflexively believe everything the machine spits out, even though much of is demonstrably false.

People like you putting the bar at "just slightly better than Republicans" and demanding that everyone else do the same for decades is how the Dems have gotten away with just putting band aids on the limbs Republicans break and moving right to chase the mythical "undecided voter" even as they decry rising polarization.

Which in turn is how Republicans have gotten away with becoming a fascist party and still remaining competitive in a country that ascended to their current place in the world by fighting fascists in WWII.

Demand better. BE better.

Be better.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Why are the Dems shackled by law but not Republicans? I'll save you the time: it was designed that way. Progress is hard, regression is easy.

Why do we, the people, allow this system to exist when it conclusively proves to us year after year that it is not a government that works for us?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I am aware that our government is built to be disappointing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Our government was built to be amended if our elected officials could agree on direction. It's our elected officials that are disappointing. And our voters that elect them.

And no, I'm not both sides-ing this. Corporate dems are certainly a problem, but no where near as bad as the entire GOP at this point. And I suspect Dems would be amenable to passing things like ranked choice voting if there was actually a chance at it happening.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It’s our elected officials that are disappointing. And our voters that elect them.

Boy howdy are they disappointing

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Strangely...the R's haven't been bound by the rules of government. They cause havoc at will.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's easier to cause havoc with bad faith appointments, misusing approved funds, etc, than to pass anything by vote.

It's easier to destroy than to build.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It’s easier to destroy than to build.

They can't even destroy their support for israel and their campaign of genocide. I'm tired of the excuses.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So when the Republicans under McConnel took control of the Senate during Obama's term, the procedural rules were already such the tax and budgetary bills (reconciliation) we're not subject to filibuster. Those were basically the only bills McConnel would bring to the floor during his time as Senate Majority Leader. The Democratic caucus can, and has, passed reconciliation bills too so it's not something only the Republicans have been able to do. It's just that they have also wanted to do things that are subject to the filibuster.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It’s just that they have also wanted to do things that are subject to the filibuster.

No they haven't. They just run on those things, never had any intention at all of passing them, and use the filibuster as an excuse for breaking campaign promises, knowing that there are plenty of people who accept their excuses at face value.