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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Protestation IS democracy you fucking fascists.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Legal protests are. Illegal protestation is anarchy.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is no such thing as an illegal protest. That is a concept made up by the people being protested against so that they can squash it. Protests are not supposed to be "convenient". They are not supposed to be comfortable or nice or pretty. They are supposed to force people to face the issue and band together to bring about real change.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That's not how it works. There is no country where protesting in the middle of the street without a permit is legal. There absolutely is something like illegal protesting, and what Just Stop Oil did was one example. Protests are about being seen, not causing inconvenience or even danger. You are not above the law just because you're protesting. Getting a permit and demonstrating outside the white house would have been the correct way to go about this.

The only people who banded together as a result of this protest were angry drivers banding together to remove the nuisance, and climate deniers who got radicalized by the rage, seeing Just Stop Oil protests.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's one thing not to like illegal protests and a different one to equate them with anarchy. I understand that the term "anarchy" is often used as a synonym to "lawlessness" but in reality it is a movement that aims to eradicate societal hierarchies and replace them with horizontal organizational structures.

Also as I'm sure you know, law is not set in stone, it does change. Many things that are legal now, were illegal in the past. Sometimes in order to influence lawmakers we need to do illegal stuff, like non-violent disruptive protests.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If you want to change the law, you contact politicians, sign petitions, protest in a way that doesn't prevent emergency vehicles or public transport from reaching their destinations, and you vote during election. If that isn't enough, you run for office. Doing illegal stuff isn't justified at all.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Your 8-hour work week was achieved by "illegal protests" among other things. Getting rid of the divine right of kings was "illegal".

Setting the world on fire is somehow not "illegal" though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's appropriate when you're trying to change certain things, not everything. When you're trying to get civil rights or anything else that the higher ruling class doesn't want you to have, it can and usually does necessitate illegal and violent protesting and uprising.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Of course what you describe is a way of doing things. What you say and what I said are not exclusionary. People can have both legal and illegal approaches on the same topic. Sometimes it is justifiable on moral grounds to break the law, and many countries recognize that need in their constitutions.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If the protest isn't illegal, you aren't protesting, you are having a parade.