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[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's a two party system. You can either vote for the person who advocates for more genocide or the person (not Biden, just FYI) who is looking at active de-escalation.

It's America, there are only two choices. If you refuse to chose less genocide you're furthering the deaths of Palestinians.

You need to be an adult - sometimes there's no nice option... sometimes the choice is between shitty and even shittier. Be the person that makes the world a less awful place.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

thanks for proving my point

in the US the biggest perpetuated piece of propaganda myth is that we have only two options and we will never rise above the shitty choices so pick the one that smells better

obviously with that mindset nothing will ever change

elites have won for now

[–] aubeynarf 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

They’ve won forever if you check out. Use your vote to move the needle just a bit - waiting for a perfect solution means things get worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But if we don’t vote, the bad guys will take over!” Scaring people into voting is no way to create change nor prevent disaster but rather glosses over deeper problems of the political system that voting doesn’t address. However, for those who truly believe some politician is not as bad as the other one, it’s not that I disagree. Despite my many grumblings, I don’t insist that voting is entirely futile, just that it’s mostly so. If you think it’s worth the minuscule effort, go for it and don’t feel bad about it. I’m just critical of the widespread belief that voting will have more of a positive effect than a normal effort-to-reward calculus would indicate. The degree that voting is overvalued as a form of political engagement is the degree it displaces other more effective forms and forestalls social change. source

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Given the current electoral system it isn't a myth - it's how we ended up with Woodrow Wilson after all.

I'd love to see us break out of it too but the voting system needs to change before we can seriously consider a third party option.

America was basically the alpha release of Democracy and it has an absolutely broken electoral system - ideally the president wouldn't even be elected and we'd only have one branch of congress but we're working within the boundaries of what we have and if you choose to help get Trump elected that's fucking on you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

US was the beta system at best, based on Greek/Roman democracy including the slavery!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Jill Stein had 1/3 the popular votes of libertarian Gary Johnson in 2016. They both had the same number of EC votes.

At 3.3% of the popular vote, Johnson did better than any third party candidate since '96. Maybe if you close your eyes and wish really hard you could get a libertarian to claim a single EC vote.