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Sorry to rain on the joyful circlejerk, but please remember that truth and justice Kamala came out as solidly in line with Biden’s genocide policy book. Sorry, I like Walz too, but this is not acceptable.
Don't engage, just block.
Foreign agent trolls or lack-of-critical-thinking-clowns
Neither are worth your time.
Unfortunately one needs to address the mold in the room, lest it propagates. Their entire MO is spreading their message and sowing doubt with just one person. If there is no opposition voice, then they become more convincing unfortunately.
Ok, I pick the poison in which I call out the awfulness of genocide and its perpetrators, be they presidents, candidates, constituents, or commenters on forums. Also, who are the “you guys” you are referring to here? Sounds like you are talking about the people outraged by injustice, racism and genocide. Perhaps it’s the people trying to apply moral standards consistently? I know that concept can be annoying when you’re feeling good about an election, but why should I care when the stakes are so high? The dynamic you’re describing is a self-fulfilling prophecy, a lame excuse for allowing depravity, and ultimately the reason why we keep electing terrible leaders.
You will find no bigger critic of Republican fascism than me. That doesn’t give Harris a pass for terrible policy, nor from the political consequences of them.
Honestly, how else do you suggest people exert influence over leadership in a democracy? The ‘campaign’ is an inconvenient time to debate these issues. Then, it will be ‘too early’ in her administration to debate these issues (why don’t we just give her a chance after-all!). Then it will be, ‘the electorate spoke when they voted her in. If you didn’t want this, why did you vote for her?’ Then it will be campaign time again.
If her position is an existential threat to her electability, then she is making a huge political mistake by taking this stance and you should call her out for endangering American democracy. If it isn’t, what are you complaining about?
Not sure if you are responding to a different comment because this is confusing and not really addressing the point I made. Are you suggesting that every single constituent who has an opinion should run for office?
Oh. Advocating for a policy and calling out a candidate for their position is anti democratic. Got it.
Never once did I ‘bait’ or even suggest that people not vote. I’m calling out a candidate’s policy position which is what people do in healthy democracies, but, uh whatever.
Both sides are baaaaaaad!
They already have. Don't you think it's a little weird these "both sides are the same, don't vote!" trolls are only active right before a presidential election?
Sorry to rain on your joyful grandstanding, but it's either Trump or Harris — and Harris & Biden have both expressed FAR more sympathy toward the Gazan people and trying to negotiate a permanent ceasefire than Trump.
... Meanwhile Bibi is trying to do everything he can to get Trump elected, while Trump violated the Logan Act and contacted Bibi directly to NOT take the ceasefire deal.
Vote for Kamala! The harm REDUCTION candidate!
I’m sure Palestinians really appreciate Biden and Harris’ sympathies as they are misted by the bombs they sent over that were guided by the intelligence they provided.
All the talk about ceasefire negotiations is an intentional distraction. Israel isn’t participating in negotiations as evidenced by the fact that they assassinated the main Hamas guy running negotiations.
Claiming that opposition to Harris’ terrible policy position is somehow supportive of trump is dishonest and misleading. That attitude is a big reason why we keep electing such terrible leaders.
trumps Logan Act violations should be prosecuted, absolutely, just like Biden’s violations of the Leahy Law should be prosecuted.
Hmmm, let's see... If I'm a Palestinian...
And I see Harris/Biden:
... And I see Trump:
... Then I have to take an educated guess and say that I don't think Harris or Biden are actually psychopathic narcissists who worship strong-men dictators like Trump does and I have to think that Trump will not care how many of us die... So I'd rather deal with strategic gaming of the electorate to ensure Democrats win in the next 2.5 months as opposed to risking a Trump presidency and having NO support for at least 4 years.
This "inTenTioNAl DiStrActIoN" thing is unfounded and utter speculation. What Netanyahu decides to do does NOT negate what Harris/Biden are trying to do. Be better.
Biden and Harris might be negotiating, but Israel is not. For Biden and Harris to willfully misrepresent that fact is mostly where I base my claims about negotiations being a stalling tactic.
Biden and Harris have done nothing to distance themselves from Netanyahu. If anything, Harris doubled down on her support for his administration in her DNC speech.
Aid into Gaza has been pathetically inadequate. Given that the US is the power broker in this region, it’s difficult to argue that this isn’t intentional.
trump is a monster. No argument there.
I don’t think that Biden and Harris are ‘psychopathic narcissists’. I do think that Biden is ideologically bound to supporting Israel’s racist apartheid goals. I’ve been hoping for meaningful signs that Harris is different than him, but her DNC speech was a clear attempt to align herself with his policies. So, that’s disheartening.
I agree that voting for Harris is harm reduction and that given the options, that course gives us the possibility of influence whereas the alternative prevents that. However, pressure needs to be applied to Harris or nothing will change. Pressure during the election has more efficacy than afterward. If her stance on this is actually enough to deny her the win, then she is making a huge political mistake by ‘cozying up’ to a genocide policy.
I base my ‘intentional distraction’ claim on almost a year of toothless rhetoric from Biden, preceded by decades of similar obfuscations from administration after administration.
It may be of interest to you to read this discussion thread I had with another user here. Without too much repeating I think we're on the same side largely; but I definitely put a lot of weight on the rock-and-a-hard-place Biden/Harris is with courting different voting groups and ensuring Gazans don't have to deal with 4 years of Trump instead of 4 years of Harris. So I'm extremely cautious with only 71 days until election day to jeopardize any risk to that.
These people are gonna be pissed anyway when they find out the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in this war is one of the lowest if not the lowest in urban warfare history.
Uh yeah... Let's not go that far and remember the incompetency of the IDF: Killing their OWN 3 hostages who had raised white flags and were unarmed, or that time they annihilated a humanitarian aid convoy who had properly sought clearance from IDF command ahead of their trek.
At the current rate, Israel is happily lining up 3-4 Gaza civilians — half of whom being women & children — and executing them for each Hamas soldier they claim was in the alleged vicinity. They know this, and yet they pull the trigger anyway.
They're not the good guys.
Yeah im gonna vote for the party that hasn't been actively creating laws for the past 15 years that are trying to kill my family and friends.
I get it. Just like you, I’ll probably vote for the party that’s been passively enabling those very same policies. That doesn’t mean people shouldn’t call out the awful positions our candidates take, or challenge constituents on the exuses they make for them.
The issue is not complicated and she has crafted a campaign around her own moral goodness. Sanders’ expectations are far too low. In any case, she has apparently settled on policy. She settled on Biden’s policy, as she described in her big speech.
Kamala has been pretty consistent on saying that what's happening in Gaza is absolutely unacceptable and she cannot turn a blind eye to it. It's the most harsh rhetoric we've seen from people in high leadership positions.
The problem is that she then pairs those statements with the exact same rhetoric that Netanyahu and Biden use obfuscate the genocide campaign (“will always defend Israel’s right to defend, yadda yadda yadda”). I appreciate that some of her language is a tiny bit better than Biden, but that just not enough. She has to show some of this ‘leadership’ quality that the DNC keeps bragging about. There must be some policy shift proposed. Otherwise her language is about as meaningless as trump’s empty claims that he’ll end the war in Ukraine as president elect.
It's a tricky line to balance. The entire Democrat base doesn't want to say fuck Israel, we're pulling out (even if I'd like for us to). So far she seems to be balancing quite well however.
There really isn't anything wrong with Israel going after Hamas. They have that right. The problem is that they're just bombing blindly and going "did we get them?", and it creates a situation where those they hurt now have the right to seek revenge against the Israeli government.
Abstaining does less than nothing for the actual victims of the genocide in question. You think the dems are going to change their stance on Palestine because a bunch of leftists are withholding their votes? Most of their corporate donors are most likely either pro-Israel or don't care. They're going to decide it's a safer play for them to pivot right to try and scoop up lukewarm centrist dipshits, guaranteed. Things get worse for women, immigrants, LGBT people, and the working class in general but hey! At least your hands are clean!
The way to effect electoral change that may actually have a snowballs chance in hell of helping Palestinians is to support anti-genocide reps in primaries and local elections. Get your city to pass ordinances boycotting Israeli products, accepting Palestinian refugees, and supporting international aid organizations. Even if your good local reps can't make any of that happen, you're getting more anti-genocide policy makers in the system who may run for higher offices next cycle.
Leftist organizing has always been from the ground up. If you want an anti-genocide president (which I fucking do too!), then work on creating the infrastructure to produce one instead of stomping your feet and insisting the Overton Window move your way ex nihilo.
You find that the vast majority of Americans don't care is unacceptable? Good luck changing this with that attitude.
What attitude? Be specific.