And unfortunately lemmy.ml is getting more online traffic recently.
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If the discussion is good, what is the problem? Genuine question.
Lemmy.ml is run by people who spread authoritarian propaganda, most likely the CCP. It's a real stain on Lemmy and people shouldn't support or legitimize it in any way.
Yeah you’re gonna need a source for that one. I don’t like ml but you can’t just throw that out there without evidence
Spend some time browsing through the instances communities.
It is well known that that both the main devs of Lemmy (whose home instance is Lemmy.ml) are ~~communists~~ socialists who side with the ideals of China (CCP). Also, it may be less known that the .ml is short for Marxist/Leninist or Marx/Lenin. Either way, it’s a hat tip to ~~communism~~ socialism.
They are known for being heavy-handed with post/comment removal and bans of opposing views of any kind. Viewing their mod log would attest to that.
That’s is a lot of words to hand wave away a reasonable expectation as you say “do your own research.”
Stated without evidence dismissed without evidence, etc.
A lot of people genuinely feel that way even if I think they’re wrong and it’s unproductive
I’d like to apologize that you felt my response was dismissive. I certainly did not intend to make anybody feel that way. I didn’t have any specific examples to give, so I approached it from an anecdotal point of view based on my personal experiences.
I appreciate that and I could definitely do with less snark in my comments. That being said accusing the CCP of astroturfing lemmy instance at scale is a serious claim and it needs real evidence.
If it means anything to you, my responses were not meant as accusations or attacks. Merely observations of the things I’ve personally seen. But I can appreciate your view of things, and I respect that you may disagree.
Minor correction: tankies aren't communists.
Now that you mention it, I just realized I meant socialism and not communism. Thank you.
They aren't socialists either. Socialists want workers to own the means of production. MLs want the state to control the means of production. The two are inherently incompatible.
What kind of source can I offer? Photocopies of internal CCP propaganda documents? This isn't the kind of thing you can link to a research journal to prove.
The CCP has always relied heavily on propaganda, and is obviously investing on it internationally with things like Tik Tok.
The Fediverse is an easy, easy target. They run their own instance and set their own rules, and there's absolutely no budget and basically no coordination whatsoever to counter disinformation.
Seriously, that's buck wild. I hope they meant "they support the CCP", which isn't a stretch given the various Soviet-era iconography in the profiles of its maintainers (Mao, Castro, Gagarin, etc.), and not "they're acting on behalf of the CCP", which is such a ridiculous claim to make with no further substantiation.
Agreed. Many definitely support it
"most likely" it's an opinion, so evidence not required.
If they said "it is run by ccp" then you may have a point.
Don't play sophist games.
“Most likely” is not an opinion, it’s stating that it’s more likely than it isn’t which means you need evidence.
Imprecise statements =/= opinions.
Those same people are also the lead developers of lemmy.
Exhibit A of the original dev’s moderation style
Fuck that guy, best thing he did was make Lemmy open source so it can grow beyond their tiny little world view
The thing about open source software, no one person gets the credit for it. Especially since the Reddit exodus there have been more and more contributors.
It's not a good discussion when they ban you in the middle of it for saying NATO is a defensive alliance.
Its fair game because my comment got removed on lemmy.world for criticizing Israel.
Sounds like a challenge!
NATO is a defensive alliance and the Israeli government is filled with war criminals who need to be thrown in the Hauge
Edit: To the instance-blocked guy who replied that "Thrown in the Hauge" has a weird energy:
Fine, I missed a capital letter. But also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Penitentiary_Institution
Oh wow, it's not often that I find a comment that's whataboutism and also a blatant lie. (I block every Hexbear account I see.)
Edit: stay mad, tankies. MLs aren't leftists.
I said worse things about USSR history and I still comment on political LM posts when I feel like putting effort, and don't even care about the instance if the subject is neutral. Their users did appreciate deeper digs in what it really was if I could produce some insights. The only user\mod I had problems with is y-tos, and I choose not to touch anything they write at all.
That was the default Lemmy instance for a very long time, so I guess for pre-reddit exodus folks it wasn't more of a choice than for lemmy.world users now.
That is a shock? In my experience political and news communities are always biased and will remove anything that isn't a part of the narrative. Some are worse than others but the desire to stop "misinformation" often leads to censorship.
Because the discussion isn’t good, the instance admins themselves go from thread to thread removing anything that doesn’t agree with their chosen narrative of the week(subject to change according to the latest ccp talking points)
Bro first line in the meme says "you see an amazing discussion"
Some people get really bent out of shape that not every instance is exactly the same as lemmy.world, cheer-leading for the exact same worldview. They are intellectually brittle and emotionally weak, so when they don't see the same group-think taking over somewhere they can't control they need to post something like "BUT WE ALL HATE THEM OVER THERE, RIGHT FELLAS?! WE GOOD, THEM BAD! LET'S DE-FEDERATE!"
World has its own problems. The rampant use of slurs/general ableism is unbelievable. If you say a word about it they shout you down with more vile slurs/insults.
... Such as?
Are you asking what terms they use?
Correct. I've been here for just a month, but so far I haven't seen a single slur that's ableist, homophobic, transphobic, racist, or xenophobic.
I see variations of the r-word several times a week. A lot of c-word too whenever women come up.
Say anything negative about that stupid mbfc bot in !news and you'll get a ban.
Check my comment history. I routinely say many extremely negative things about that stupid MBFC bot in !news and have yet to receive a ban.
As @Kecessa stated, any interaction with lemmy.ml legitimises the entire instance.
Sometimes it isn't bad. For instance the privacy community is generally pretty good. However, there are some mods who have a "different" way of seeing things. They want the communities they mod to be propaganda machines.
I used to get annoyed but now I just move on to different communities. I will say that the admins of Lemmy.ml have gotten a lot more reasonable. They are still politically far left but they don't force there views nearly as much. Its some of the mods that are the problem. I don't care what they believe in but you shouldn't remove something because it challenges your beliefs
Ehhh no
Lemmy.Ml admins are trash
Exhibit A