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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Where did I defend the CCP or communism?

(I do fully support communism and have critical support for China, but that's not the question here)

What evidence would change your mind about [...]

Show me evidence that the Uyghur are being persecuted

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Where did I defend the CCP or communism?

You're a Lemmygrad user, they're going to assume that's your intent by default

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The communism preference, yes. As for the CCP: They literally denied Uyghur persecution. Not even genocide, which is a claim that, due to its severity, is always going to be hard to prove, and thus debatable, I get that.

But even just the fact that the ethnic-religious group of Uyghurs are being persecuted on a large scale, had to be denied. That's pretty extreme.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Thank you for answering.

I am not sure where to start, but let's take the easy way: At the moment of writing, the wikipedia page "Persecution of Uyghurs in China" has 585 references.

They're probably all written by seemingly independent institutions, journalists and scientists who somehow have a McCarthyist-like fear of communism that they'd risk their credibility just to add a bit of damage to communist China's moral standing?

Or are they all factually incorrect through some other mechanism?

[–] Semjaza 1 points 6 months ago

I visited Xinjiang.

Shit be grim. Cultural sites are being either bulldozed or turned into tourist locations. The Great Mosque in Umruqi is now a tat market with an overpriced restaurant atop the minaret, and the grand mosque in Kashgar is now a tourist site not for prayer, I think locals got a concession price on entry though.

I saw the Chinese police force beating stall owners for not ending their working day at 7pm China time - Xinjiang locals tend to use/want to use Xinjiang time which is 2 hours behind.

There are check points all over the province, with a "green route" for Han ID card holders, and long waits queueing up in the Xinjiang sun for everyone else.

The Uigyir school kids are all forced to have their heads shaved as part of a school initiation program that other ethnicities don't have to ungergo, on threat of having custody of children taken from parents.

And yes, there was a sense of fear and dread hanging over the place as the reeducation and training centres are real and the Uigyir locals are terrified of them, know people who've gone in and not come out, and the Han locals are avoident and come across as guilty on the topic of "schools".

Yes, the US overplays/ed what is happening calling it a genocide. There isn't mass murder happening with the goal of eradication of an ethnic group. There is however huge racial abuse and the region being run as an apartheid province.