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Haven’t we all known this about Shill Stein for a very long time, or are we supposed to pretend it’s a big shocking reveal so the leftists can feel better about being duped?
The people duped by Stein are not the people who call themselves leftists.
On the contrary, many that call themselves leftists have been thoroughly duped. Or they're all bad faith actors, but I try to never attribute to malice that which can be sufficiently explained by incompetence.
Are the democrat candidates not shills themselves?
That being said, fuck Jill Stein for squandering the Green Party. She needs to go away
Who are they shilling for? See, Comrade Stein is shilling for Russia. As we know- there is a connection. But who exactly would the democrats be accused of shilling for?
Netanyahu. AIPAC bought two candidates right out in the open. The party welcomes foreign interference against progressives.
ROFL! Hilarious!
Yes, you find 14 pages of dead Palestinian infants to be the funniest shit ever. The perpetrator of the ongoing genocide in Gaza bought candidates for you.
No, I find your bullshit false accusations to be funny. Especially when it’s backed up by quite a lengthy mod log of removed misinformation and bullshit trolling attempts.
I have no sock puppet accounts. If I Had sockpuppets, my comments would have more upvotes and a lot more genocide supporters would have more downvotes. Only one comment I've ever made has been (unjustly in my opinion) removed as misinformation.
You're just mad that I didn't immediately shut up when you used "hilarious" as a rebuttal. Now you're responding to my comments multiple times, spouting conspiracy nonsense, and going through my comment history to stalk me into other threads.
News flash bud…. There’s no genocide supporters here. But ironically, I did see you get bent out of shape when someone accused you of being a Trump supporter.
Hypocrite.
If you can’t take it- don’t dish it.
You stood up for a genocide denier in the thread you followed me into on another community.
No, I didn’t.
You did. As for your ridiculous lie that there are no genocide supporters on lemmy:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=1207993
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=9567319
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=67131
Those are just the ones I've been able to find since my comment of 54 minutes ago, in the midst of considerable distraction. One of them is the genocide denier you defended.
EDIT: Here's another:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=67131
Sure thing, trumper. Whatever makes you feel better when you accuse everyone that disagrees with you of being a genocide supporter.
I brought receipts. Of course, you dismissed them without even looking at them and repeated the same lie about me.
I'm disengaging with you now. You have nothing and I've shown that lemmy does in fact have genocide supporters. I'll probably add to the list and use it every time some genocide apologist lies and says no one on lemmy supports genocide.
Naaah.. you just pasted links to shit you disagree with. I’ve seen how you accuse everyone that calls your shit out- “genocide supporters.”
And I’ve seen how you twist shit to mean things people never said. So spare me your rhetoric. I’m not buying it. You’re a page right out of a trumper’s playbook.
Not fooled here bud.
While I disagree with genocide support and genocide denial, and you've made it clear that you don't, everything I posted was links to the modlog. Those were comments that were removed by moderators, not me, for genocide denial, pro-genocide misinformation, etc. Genocide denial is genocide support. You've made it clear that you didn't follow any of those links or even look too closely at the URLs. I invite anyone who believes that no one on lemmy supports genocide to read them. Anyone who reads them and claims those links don't contain genocide support is a goddamned liar.
And here I am taking the bait. I said I was gonna disengage. Shame on me.
I don’t know why you keep going with this man. I already told you I’m not buying your bullshit. I’m not the first one to call you out and I won’t be the last.
You hide behind your accusations of others because it keeps the heat off of you. Classic trumper move- stay on the offense, right?
It’s not working here.
Others will read the links even if you don't. Others will know that you never even thought about following them or reading them. The links speak for themselves. Goodbye.
Look at that! Four upvotes within mere minutes on a completely dead end comment chain! You’re about as authentic as they get bud!
No amount of suck puppets will make the shit you say appear any less stupid.
Israel paid directly for two candidates and committed FARA violations? That's a big claim buddy. Got any... Evidence?
AIPAC paid to defeat Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush. If you want to believe that AIPAC is actually independent of Israel, I can't make you stop believing absurdities.
I know what AIPAC is. Your claim is that they have direct funding from the government of Israel. That's illegal. You are allowed to set up a lobby group in the US that supports another country as long as the funds are obtained from within the US.
I know this might come as a shock to you, but there are many jews living in the US that happen to support Israel. You are welcome to set up any lobby group you want. Go ahead and set one up for Lebanon. But FARA is very clear about the source of the funds.
If youre not familiar with FARA take some time to acquaint your self? Or talk to a lawyer maybe? I don't know.
Your argument in favor of foreign interests interfering in US elections is essentially "well, it's perfectly legal, and if you don't like it, help another foreign interest interfere in US elections."
Are you doing it on purpose? It seems you're trying really hard. Like really hard.
That's not my argument. I think it's clear to everyone else reading you're doing it on purpose so I'm out. Cheers.
Then what is? It's fine to buy candidates as long as your PAC has the fig leaf of US funding when it operates on behalf of a foreign government? Because that's what happened. Israel didn't like the incumbents. AIPAC spent loads of money on their challengers.
Back in 2022, we were told that when the party propped up the anti-choice, pro-nra, anti-labor Henry Cuellar against his progressive challenger Jessica Cisneros, it absolutely wasn't because he was a centrist and she a progressive. It was that the party protects its incumbents in order to maintain the incumbency advantage and the proven track record for winning.
But we just saw the party do absolutely fucking nothing at all to protect the progressive incumbents Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush, while their opponents took boatloads of cash from AIPAC to sink them.
As far as I'm concerned, the party supports Netanyahu's ongoing genocide, and in exchange AIPAC spends heaps of money in opposition to progressive incumbents that party leadership refuses to protect.
I understand what you're trying to say, but you've mixed in 3 different topics into a blender to build up a narrative. This is literally a gish gallop and it's intentional.
The only thing I pushed back was that AIPAC was taking money directly from Israel and circumventing FARA, which is a common conspiratorial talking point.
Now in addition to addressing FARA, you want to talk about
incumbent advantage and popularity of these candidates
dems support for genocide,
the influence of lobbying in elections.
Ok, let's both take a step back here, I ask that you humor me for a moment. Could you please quote where I said that Israel directly funded AIPAC in contravention of FARA? I don't recall making such an assertion, but you seem to be arguing as though I did.
Accusing me of being a conspiracy theorist for noticing that AIPAC spent loads of money to essentially buy candidates is low. Calling it a gish gallop when I expanded on it is lower still.
Lol what? Are you just totally ignorant to corporate involvement in politics? Do you know what a lobbyist is?
Comparing Russian influence on a compromised asset to lobbyists is a bit of a reach bud. But you do you!
Wow, wow. Have you seen Erin Brokovich? Do you think corporations have your best interest at heart? Triangle shirtwaist factory? OSHA? Johnson&Johnson gave generations of babies cancer with their talc. Just look up tort reform and tort cases. Watch the documentary Hot Coffee. Watch the documentary The Bleeding Edge about medical devices. How about the Oakville Blob scandal that happened during Clinton's administration? What about social media companies and tech companies and the products they produce? Lead in baby food and Dollar Tree foods. The Nestle baby formula scandal. Thalidomide babies. Glyphosate being a neurotoxin that's permeated our water supply. What about environmental impacts of our companies and how those are genociding more people than actual active war? What about P Diddy and Epstein and all their connections to literal business owners who fund and come up with many policies? Or earth being past 6 of 9 planetary boundaries?
And think about how insurance companies lobbied to prevent Medicare for All policies and the best thing we could get was Obamacare. Or how price gouging has been shown to have happened with current inflation around fucking FOOD prices. Or how fucking taxes and tax breaks work for corporations compared to the rates in the 70s.
Notice how all these things harm the general public? The very people our representatives should represent? Yeah, Dems are shills and have blood on their hands.
They are literally killing us through abusive policies, inaction, medical neglect, starvation, climate change, and mismanagement. The Dems may be less fucked up than others, but they are absolutely fucked up.
Clinton was buddies with Epstein. They are NOT "for the people." They are for the status quo.
Totally fine so long as it's our rich people who control politicians, just so long as it's not foreign rich people.
Nationalism is a hell of a drug.
AIPAC
Hilarious.
I don’t think supporting genocide is.
Yeah. No one does. So what’s hilarious is your baseless accusation that flies in the face of all things real and proven.