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How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What defines “irreplaceable art”

A good place to start would be art made by a great artist that can't make it anymore, usually because they are dead.

How much of the earth’s resources are we willing to dedicate to “culturally significant, irreplaceable things”

I don't think the footprint of the world's art museums would even show up on a chart when you consider waste or climate impact.

I'm not arguing to "prosecute oil as hard as these folks" because that's not the discussion we're having. That's just what-about-ism. But since you asked, I think just about every C level in the oil industry should be in prison for the harm they have caused and the coverups they conspired to perpetrate while doing it. That's not relevant to the discussion of 'activists' trying to destroy art to get headlines.

I agree with their message, I completely disagree with the method of delivery.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So only art in museums is culturally significant? Made by artists who are dead? What about buildings? Religious places? Graveyards? Note that these are things I called out in my first comment so I’m not trying to move the goalposts here. You highlighted the Taliban destroying cultural places so, by your definition, we must include those and since we can’t displace any new ones must be added.

I completely disagree that the footprint of the world’s art museums is minuscule. Museums today already have problems with storage. In order to meet your definition for art, museums must continue to expand their collections. As the number of people grows, the number of artists grows, increasing the supply of art. How do you define “great artist” without proportionally increasing the number? As fields specialize, so too do the “great artists” that define mediums.

What about books? Records? Movies? How do we decide what to keep here?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You're putting words in my mouth so I can't really respond to the first part.

Some people value art, some don't. It's ok if you don't, it's not okay to destroy what other people value.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

it's not okay to destroy what other people value

So you're okay with oil companies destroying the planet which every person on this earth values? You're okay with oil companies being given the pen to write the laws for climate protests? You're okay with Judges taking bribes and providing harsh sentences to climate protesters?

You're okay to with some corrupt asshole stealing our future from us (you're probably part of the awful operations, who knows?)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Nope. I can be against all that and against vandalizing art.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

You have answered nothing and read way more into the word “so” than was actually there. It’s pretty clear you’re just here to be mad so have fun with that!