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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

miniscule amount of votes they do get - you're not moving any metrics

If that's true then why do you care? It's a miniscule amount that's not moving anything.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (42 children)

Let's build some towers out of blocks and see whose is biggest!

The Dem tower is 48 blocks tall. The GOP Tower is 49 blocks tall. The 3rd party tower is 3 blocks tall. That 3 block tower isn't enough to win, but if they stacked onto the Dem tower, that's the difference between 4 years of status quo and 4 years of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Huh sounds like the people who have 3 blocks have a lot of influence. Considering the stakes shouldn't the ones with the big towers be trying to appease the ones with three blocks?

I mean this doesn't sound insignificant at all. I thought they were "not moving any metrics"?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Huh sounds like the people who have 3 blocks have a lot of influence. Considering the stakes shouldn’t the ones with the big towers be trying to appease the ones with three blocks?

By appeasing the 3 blocks, you've now lost 10 blocks from your own tower. Congratulations!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sounds more like the people with three blocks know the consequences of a Trump victory and are using their vote as ransom to make demands over a single issue that will get far worse if Trump wins.

So in essence. The people with three blocks are entitled and ignorant and quite possibly purposefully helping Trump win.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yes, that's correct. And that single issue is genocide, which is absolutely worth taking a stand against. But whether you agree with it or not, that's the situation. We are holding our votes ransom and if they want them then they'll have to give in to our demands. Their choice.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Sure, let's go down this line of reasoning. You appease the 3 blockers, and lose 10 blocks in the process. Now the Dem tower is 41 and the GOP tower is 59. Objectively a bad trade. What incentive does that provide?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

There are only 9 blocks that matter and 6 of them are in the GOP Tower.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're funny if you think it will be 4 years of fascism. It will be the new status quo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

That was the intended implication. Fascism is not known for reservation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Aren't there other blocks that could be stacked on the Dem tower?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Some states/districts have come down to a few hundred or a few thousand votes. I don't agree with the above comment that it doesn't matter. Third parties are spoilers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Third parties are spoilers

Its complicated. They only become spoilers after the election is counted. On the days leading up to the election people not pledging their votes to one candidate or another are sought after, and sometimes that seeking takes the form or candidates doing desperate policy changes to bring their poll numbers up. Like we saw with Harris spouting off trying to appeal to gun nuts the other day. If enough Dem voters had stood up and said, "Hey stop it with the weapon shipments and at least be neutral in this because whats going on is not adhering to Who Americans are" then Harris would have felt pressure to stop the shipments, out of a once every 4 year fear that the people might be pissed at her. For the rest of the time our opinions dont matter for shit to party leadership.

But to date she hasnt felt the pressure. The killing continues becasue we let it continue out of fear of trump winning. We dont trust that Harris is smart enough to get a message like, "hey cut that out", from us, but I bet she and her staff are smart enough if we could just come together and send the message. The fault here is on the voters for allowing Harris and Biden to do some flatly evil far right wing shit. We didnt even get bribed-- we're simply all terrified of trump so we let far right evil exist within a left leaning party.