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[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Shouldn't that be standard everywhere? My flats here in Germany all had one central switch for that wired before the actual circuit breakers so that any outlet should be protected.

Is there a reason to only put that on select outlets?

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Breakers work when you draw too much current through the circuit and a metal strip heats up, expands and flips the circuit off. It's meant to stop you from plugging in too many devices and heating up the wire inside of your wall. It takes a bit of time activate.

GFCI stands for Ground Fault Circuit Interrupt. If any current is detected going across one of the current carrying wires and the grounding wire, it immediately turns the circuit off.

PSA, please, please don't rip off the grounding prong on your outdoor water fountain pump because you can't find a grounded extension cord.

[–] AgentRocket@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago

I think you misunderstood. he meant in Germany the gfci is wired between where the electricity comes into your home and the breakers, so every outlet is protected, not just the ones in the bathroom.

Except in old buildings, like the one i'm living in, where there is no grounding wire and ground fault protection is done by bridging ground to neutral and hoping that enough current flows through the fault to trigger the breaker.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

It depends honestly. Here in the states, we GFCI kitchens, bathrooms, laundries, garages, crawl spaces underneath houses, and exteriors, basically anywhere it could be reasonably expected to come in contact with water or an unexpected grounding/earth source. From there, you can either do a GFCI breaker or receptacle. Both will protect everything downstream from the device, but the choice comes down to convenience of operation. I'll generally do GFCI breakers for dishwasher, disposals, refrigerators, etc, just so that if the GFCI trips you can reset it in the panel so you don't have to pull the equipment out to get to it, but I'll do kitchen and bathroom counter convenience plugs as a GFCI receptacle (and daisychain all downstream kitchen receptacles from the GFCI receptacle) to be able to reset it right there at the point of use.

You could in theory GFCI protect an entire house/flat, but it likely comes down to cost saving and avoiding nuisance trips. Motors as they age tend to leak current and trip GFCIs, and any number of delicate electronics can be finicky, so that's typically why we only use them in wet locations.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

American homes have a master circuit breaker (or fuse) which protects the entire house, and then individual circuit breakers for several circuits throughout the house, the exact configuration depends on the home, the era it was wired, etc. These only look at current. An American household 15 amp circuit breaker will happily electrocute a human if he only draws 10 amps. It doesn't care if the electricity is completing the circuit through ground, it's only job is to keep the wires in your walls from overheating and starting a fire.

Ground fault circuit interruptors (GFCIs) detect when current is completing the circuit through ground instead of neutral, which is what happens when you drop the proverbial toaster in the bathtub. Fresh water is an insulator but salty, soapy or acidic water is a conductor, and will conduct electricity into the pipes of the house, which are often used as the electrical system's ground. GFCIs are often installed in places where one might encounter the outdoors or plumbing, aka when there's a significant risk of a short to ground. A typical American duplex outlet costs a buck or two, a GFCI outlet costs upwards of $10, it's expensive to install a whole house with GFCIs.

[–] TwentySeven@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

If I'm not mistaken, distilled water is an insulator, but tap water is a rather good conductor.

Exactly. It's also completely unnecessary since the only places where you need GFCI protection is in places like you've mentioned, when there's a significant risk of completing the circuit to ground.

Most of the time, an issue will flip a breaker before it causes damage, GFCI is just for extra protection.

[–] Chewget@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

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