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“They fell for the con” seems harsh and inaccurate.
Everyone knew Trump was lying with his promises. But Dems couldn’t even be bothered to offer empty promises. If your only options are someone who openly doesn’t give a shit about you, or someone who pretends to (even though they’re probably lying), you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.
If a con man offers me the world, and you offer me nothing, and I listen to the con man... I've still fallen for the con, my guy.
Not really. You just chose the least shitty option you were being forced into.
But I understand acknowledging that would interfere with your ability to feel smug.
How is a lie 'the least shitty option?'
What? How am I being smug by just pointing out that falling for a con is... Falling for a con? Trump is a well, well, well documented con man. Like... Maybe the most well documented con man ever. It's really hard to feel bad for anyone who voted for him getting screwed over.
Except they had some coherent and sound policy? A lot if it is way too status quo or populist when that clearly isnt working.
Trump has some sound policy too (as much as Lemmy would hate to admit it), but its also filled with obvious leapord face eating proposals, even if you 100% believe him.
And its not like he hasn't been president already, albeit much more restrained before.
Thats the most baffling thing about Trump support to me... There's this hope, this fantasy he's the change we need when we have no other choice, when that is absolutely not true if you look at his cabinet, history, and policy. He's a grifter even if you look at hus history before politics. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt?
What was their coherent and sound policy?
Dems just still believe they’re entitled to the working class vote, and aren’t willing to offer anything to earn it. Still the failed Clinton strategy of skipping them over, but counting on their votes anyway.
Uh, how about not giving the rich massive tax breaks and rocketing the national debt even higher so quickly? Anti inflation measures, support for higher wages? Actual support for unions, as tepid as it may be? Attempts to relieve debt? Let's start with that.
What exactly do you think Trump is even theoretically bringing that Dems aren't?
The Dems were not offering anything like that. You’re pulling that out of your ass.
I didn’t say Trump was better. The Dems and GOP are two sides of the same fascist coin. We have to defeat them both.
Those were the basics of Harris's platform. Tax the wealthy, support unions, tamper inflation.
No, it wasn’t. There were some vague and empty promises, but that kinda thing is a hard sell when you’re already in power and not doing those things.
Wait, so now they have "vague and empty promises"? I thought they couldn't even be bothered to lie, and had nothing to offer, making a con-man preferable?
I kinda feel like you're just more mad at Democrats than you are at Republicans who are actually doing bad things.
Yes, I am more mad at Democrats than Republicans. They’re both doing bad things, but the Dems are the ones trying to pretend they’re not and claiming they represent our interests. Doing what Dems have always done, and absorbing leftist energy to actively prevent change.
Because the party has become completely focused on high dollar salaries for the consultants running these campaigns. And they wonder why that doesn’t translate into victory.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/04/26/executive-order-on-worker-organizing-and-empowerment/
Do executive orders count?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_the_Right_to_Organize_Act
What about pro-union congressional bills that are being blocked by Republicans?
What exactly is the Republican coherent and sound policy? Because the one I've seen is largely union-busting and cutting regulations on businesses. Democrats have definitely failed to show the work they're doing and show how Republicans have fought tooth and nail to block and roll back worker protections, but it is entirely disingenuous to claim Dems "openly don't give a shit about you."
When did I imply Republicans have anything better? Gonna blow your mind here: criticism of Dems is not support of Republicans.
No, I’m not satisfied with symbolic efforts from Dems. Clearly, most of the country isn’t either.
There. Where you say republicans are probably lying but you're better off taking a chance on a lie. If you hold both parties to a different standard to the detriment of one, you're supporting one of those parties over the other.
You’re projecting your binary worldview onto me. Only way you could interpret it that way.
You've been projecting the insides of your asshole all over this fucking thread.
Shut up fuck off and stop pulling shit out if that gaping barn door of an ass while lying through your fucking teeth.
Y’all get so offended by any criticism of the Blue MAGA cult. Wild you can so smugly laugh at the Red MAGA cult at the same time. No self-awareness.
Unfortunately, a lot of Dem supporters are following the party right instead. Never thought I’d see so many people deceive themselves into believing they’re the good ones, while openly supporting genocide.
You're right critical thinking is hard for people, but it's still a con and they still fell for it.
If you know the political process is filled with liars and your only options is someone that doesn't want to make overblown statements that are clearly lies and someone that does lie (you know this because of his past lies) then you should have picked the person that lies the least.
Not necessarily. They didn’t need to believe it in order to consider it the least bad option.
Dems are still riding with the Clinton “basket of deplorables” failed strategy. They openly and outwardly despise any voters that aren’t white collar liberals. And y’all have the gall to criticize these people for not jumping onboard with a party who proudly hates them. Unbelievably obtuse.
That's not what "basket of deplorables" meant
The mental gymnastics here are insane
Not nearly as insane as expecting people you’ll do nothing for to help you get elected.
That's not the same thing as saying that republicans are better because they're lying to you while giving you worse policies lmao
No one said that.
"you’re better off taking a chance on the lie."
I guess you didn't technically say that republicans have worse policies, but... please don't tell me you believe they're even comparable
Wile not “both sides” as one side is obviously worse, the democrats did actively work against unions during Biden’s presidency. And sure Biden made talk about passing PRO, which he failed to do, but he also forced terms on the rail unions, and made it illegal for them to strike, and thus making the rail union forever powerless to fight for its members, and dooming it to obsolescence
Which side is obviously worse?
I thought we established long ago that committing a genocide is the worst thing anyone can possibly do. And they both are doing that.