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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't think I know what you're trying to say there. Can you rephrase that more straightforwardly for me?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I'm of the belief that anyone is capable of being a journalist regardless of their qualifications. I think that restricting that through elitism directly leads to appeals to authority (I've seen examples of that itt ^[1][2][3][4]^) — appeals to authority, I think, is one of the root causes for why, anecdotally, news outlets have become so lazy in citing their sources — why cite sources if people will believe what you say regardless? Whether or not something is good journalism, by definition, imo, is self-evident — it doesn't matter who did the work, so long as it is accurate.

References

  1. @[email protected] [To: "If I have to fact-check the uncited claims made in news articles, doesn't that make me the journalist?". Author: "Kalcifer" (@[email protected]). "Showerthoughts" ([email protected]). sh.itjust.works. Lemmy. Published: 2024-12-10T07:34:34. https://sh.itjust.works/post/29275760.]. Published: 2024-12-11T05:03:33Z. Accessed: 2024-12-11T08:01Z. https://lemmy.world/comment/13908617.

    When reading hard news from an outlet that actually hires journalists I consider that to be the source. […]

  2. @[email protected]. [To: "If I have to fact-check the uncited claims made in news articles, doesn't that make me the journalist?". Author: "Kalcifer" (@[email protected]). "Showerthoughts" ([email protected]). sh.itjust.works. Lemmy. Published: 2024-12-10T07:34:34. https://sh.itjust.works/post/29275760.]. Published: 2024-12-11T08:06:53Z. Accessed: 2024-12-11T08:06Z. https://lemmy.ml/comment/15451608.

    News outlets are generally graded by their historical reputabilitiy. If you find yourself continuously fact checking it, maybe consider following a better news outlet […]

  3. @[email protected] [To: "If I have to fact-check the uncited claims made in news articles, doesn't that make me the journalist?". Author: "Kalcifer" (@[email protected]). "Showerthoughts" ([email protected]). sh.itjust.works. Lemmy. Published: 2024-12-10T07:34:34. https://sh.itjust.works/post/29275760.]. Published: 2024-12-10T14:54:41Z. Accessed: 2024-12-11T08:11Z. https://lemmy.world/comment/13896551.

    […] Professional journalists are like doctors in that they’ve committed themselves to a code of ethics. As citizens we are called on to trust them to not make sh*t up. […]

  4. @[email protected] [To: "If I have to fact-check the uncited claims made in news articles, doesn't that make me the journalist?". Author: "Kalcifer" (@[email protected]). "Showerthoughts" ([email protected]). sh.itjust.works. Lemmy. Published: 2024-12-10T07:34:34. https://sh.itjust.works/post/29275760.]. Published: 2024-12-10T08:37:58Z. Accessed: 2024-12-11T08:16Z. https://lemmy.world/comment/13892346.

    Legitimate news outlets do pretty thorough fact-checking, if only to avoid litigation

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The world you are advocating cannot work. We have specialized professions for a reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

[…] We have specialized professions for a reason.

What exactly are you inferring with this? Do you mean that journalists should be licensed?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

The world you are advocating cannot work. […]

Could you outline your rationale for why it cannot work?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Everybody is capable of being a journalist, but not everybody knows how. Qualifications are just some confirmation that someone has gone through some training. The training is to get the required skills. Capacity to get there doesn't mean everybody is born with the right skillset or this would not be an issue in the first place.

Hence the education angle. You train kids earlier while the subjects they study are universal and prevent a scenario where a lot of people can't fact check their own information or aren't aware of their own biases.

Which is to say, no, good journalism isn't self-evident. If it was, we wouldn't need to have this conversation because the free market would lift up good journalism, presumably.

Confirmation bias is universal, however, so it takes a lot of work to learn to bypass it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

[…] it takes a lot of work to learn to bypass [confirmation bias].

I agree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Everybody is capable of being a journalist, but not everybody knows how. Qualifications are just some confirmation that someone has gone through some training. The training is to get the required skills. Capacity to get there doesn’t mean everybody is born with the right skillset or this would not be an issue in the first place.

Hence the education angle. You train kids earlier while the subjects they study are universal and prevent a scenario where a lot of people can’t fact check their own information or aren’t aware of their own biases.

I agree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

[…] good journalism isn’t self-evident. If it was, we wouldn’t need to have this conversation because the free market would lift up good journalism, presumably.

Hm, perhaps my usage of "self-evident" isn't super accurate here — I agree that one needs to be taught/be in possession of the knowledge for how to determine if a sample of journalism is "good". What I mean to say is that I think articles contain within themselves all that is required to determine if they are examples of good or bad journalism ­— all that's required is for someone to know what to look for in the article to determine that for themself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That depends on what you mean, I suppose. If what you're saying is a savvy reader can fact-check an article if they know how... probably yes, in most cases. There are also probably warning flags and markers in most pieces to tell a savvy reader whether they should be following up in the first place.

If you're saying that a savvy reader should be able to spot the quality of the information on the spot based entirely on the information within the article, then obviously not. That would mean the reader already has all the information in the piece and then some. The process of determining that is going to take some additional work to seek additional information, which is why it's so hard to rely on crowdsourced fact-checking. Not everybody is going to have the time or availability to do that every time.

I assume you mean the first option, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

[…] If what you’re saying is a savvy reader can fact-check an article if they know how… probably yes, in most cases. There are also probably warning flags and markers in most pieces to tell a savvy reader whether they should be following up in the first place. […]

An example that I would add would be the mere presence, or lack thereof, of citations. If nothing is cited, then, imo, it's not great journalism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

If you understand citations as you've been using them here (i.e. links to other media formatted as academic citations), we don't agree.

Naming sources yes, sometimes, but many journalistic reports are based on personal interviews where citation is trivial, official sources (police reports, press statements from organizations), direct observation by the journalist or anonymous sourcing (government sources say...), so it's not much of a marker of anything in many cases.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

[…] I assume you mean the first option […]

Yes.