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The erasure of Luigi Mangione (substack.evancarroll.com)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Right now, on Stack Overflow, Luigi Magione’s account has been renamed. Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.

This appears to violate the creative commons license under which Stack Overflow content is posted.

When the author asked about this:

As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question. Of course, they did draft a letter which credited the action to other events that occurred weeks before where I merely upvoted contributions from Luigi and bountied a few of his questions.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 3 months ago (4 children)

As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question.

Laws mean nothing anymore. Therefore licenses mean nothing. Therefore ownership means nothing, and "theft" no longer exists.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago

Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.

WOAH WOAH WOAH... hold on there Circuitfarmer (checks clipboard) It says here you're not nearly affluent enough to circumvent the law... we'll be keeping a close eye on you... --BB

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I managed to convince my brother in law by using the wrongful death case of Kanokporn Tangsuan as an example. Framed it as his moral responsibility to never sign up for any digital media ever again since he has a family. I pointed him to a few resources to sail the high seas and he's got his high seas pc hooked up to his TV and cancelled all his subscriptions. I'm so proud.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Jfc y'all sound like magats

There is no law forcing a company to spread your message for you.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There is when Stack is using a creative commons license.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No there isn't.

Stack Overflow is privately owned by Prosus. You have certain limited rights to the content they host but they do not have the obligation to keep the content up and they even have user terms that every account agrees to: especially for moderation.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If they'd just removed his content outright, I would agree with you. But if they've left his content up without attribution, that does violate the CC agreement, of which they are upheld by.

I mean, it's still a small copyright violation whom the proprietor of is a bit preoccupied to do anything about, so uh...this whole thing is quite dumb.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Idk if usernames count as "attribution", even, but I assume the results would be the same if an account was named Jeremy Assface, Ted Bundy, or Adolf Hitler even if the user's actual name was such. Not to compare Luigi to any of those people, no, but the point is usernames are moderated.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

usernames are the only form of attribution that makes sense and has ever been used (aside from email, which is again practically a username)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

They agreed to terms when they operated under Creative Commons.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In my experience it’s usually the magats who are the ones defending asshole and/or immoral behavior by pointing out that the offender is acting within the bounds of the law or within their legal rights.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Idk, I feel like Luigi Mangione being a phrase not allowed on Stack Overflow just makes sense. Good policy.