Tesla has no press office and has not rebutted the news, but Musk took to his social network to declare that "Reuters is dying," then in another post claimed that "Reuters is lying (again)."
Fucking embarrassing.
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No need for press offices when you are a Musk.
This is an easy test. If Reuters is lying, that means the Model 2 is still in development. Prove that Reuters is lying, Elon. you are uniquely positioned to be able to do that.
Best he can do is be an insufferable jackass.
Shouldn't be a big deal: Why would anyone still buy a Tesla at this point? If someone is going to buy a car they probably don't want something with garbage build quality and shitty support.
Those Volvos are looking kinda good though...
There's just so many better options than Tesla these days.
Such as…?
Rivian, Audi, BYD, Ford.. and many more. All of which I'd rather own
Given the range of vehicles here, you’re clearly just reading articles rather than looking. From the perspective of US…
- Rivian is quite promising but only has two models more competing with Model X, and they’re more expensive than Tesla and haven’t gone through the scaling process Tesla dealt with for Model 3. The long term Investment from Amazon is a huge deal for their future, otherwise I would never have considered them for lasting. Here’s hoping for their new models in a couple years that they promise will be competitive with model 3/y. Well see
- Audi has some excellent high end vehicles, more competing against Model S, but slower and more expensive. Last I looked, huge lead time since they’re not made in us and aren’t shipped in quantity
- Ford is just starting out, featuring their F-150 Lightning, but only selling high end models with huge dealer markup, and are cutting way back. There’s not really a Tesla they compete against, since Cybertruck would appeal to a different demographic. Even if I wanted a pickup, I wouldn’t want to deal with that nor could afford it
- BYD sure looks intriguing for cheap EVs if their pricing is sustainable, but will not be available in US anytime soon. There is not yet any Tesla model these would compete with, but several manufacturers have announced cheap EVs in a couple years and BYD will take at least that long to establish themselves in Mexico in the hope of getting around protectionism, so it might be part of a flood
For EVs available now in the US, Teslas are frequently the less expensive option with the best features and quality. However admittedly there are so few models, from any manufacturer, that it’s hard to see much direct competition
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Hyundai seems to be the top choice right now. They have the best combination of value, features, technology and reliability.
The Ioniq 5 is, at least where I live in Canada, is on a perpetual waitlist (except for the base 2wd model nobody wants). I'm personally waiting for the Ioniq 7 to replace my rusting Outback.
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Depends on what you're looking for. I had a high paying tech job (layoffs op), and I wanted a fun car that accelerates fast but also is a good daily driver. I was in the ~60k price range, so I was looking at things like the Corvette Stingray, but there are too many compromises for that car in terms of daily driving.
The Model 3 accelerates faster 0-30, and the same speed 0-60. Off the line it feels way snappier and responsive because it's electric, and the battery makes its center of gravity lower, so it's remarkably good at cornering for a sedan, being more comparable to a sports car in terms of cornering capabilities than a sedan.
Those aren't normally considerations for people trying to find a good value commuter car, so you would literally just ignore all those advantages. Yet people don't criticize Corvette owners for not choosing a Hyundai lol
On the daily driving front, Tesla wins out massively over other high performance cars in that price range. Being able to charge up at home, never going to a gas station, best in class driving automation/assistance software, simple interior with good control panel software, one pedal driving with regen breaking.
If you're in the 40k price range for a daily commuter, your criteria will be totally different, and I am not well versed enough in the normal considerations of that price tier and category to speak confidently to what's the best value. Tesla does however, at the very least, have a niche in the high performance sedan market.
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Sorry, I know this is controversial and I'll probably get down voted to hell, but I love my model Y Tesla and I think the full self driving is amazing (I didn't pay for it, there's a free trial this month). Musk is an idiot and an asshole but there's a lot more people working at Tesla that made some amazing vehicles.
Just to be clear, "Full Self Driving" is the marketing name for the product. You are instructed to keep your hands on the wheel at all times and Tesla accepts no responsibility at all if it screws up (unlike Mercedes, who takes responsibility for their level 3 autonomous driving service).
And for other people who happen to read this, the only reason Tesla may seem ahead with their technology is that they just don't care about safety. Tesla won't have a safe product until they actually accept responsibility for their product's failings.
Their infotainment system and app are pretty great compared to some other brands.
I'm currently driving a VW id5 and it's like they've never designed any kind of software interfaces at all. Example:
- the VW app can tell me the car is unlocked, but can't lock it for me.
- it can't show me the VIN number, even though I had to use it to register it ( it was hidden in my user profile on the site somewhere )
- I can let it pre-heat and such, but only on two schedules .
- can't schedule appointments through the app
- that weird sliding thingy for switching between speed limiter and cruise control is unintuitive AF
- every other time I'm driving it's giving me a pop up saying "there are new updated user settings for your account". With only an ok and a cancel button. Where are they? What are they? Where can I find them? Did clicking"ok" accept them? Not a clue. When does it show this message that blocks the rest of the UI? After 1 minute of driving.
Not to hate on VW engineers but goddamnit guys. Get your shit together and hire a UX expert. Shortly drove a BMW 1 series before the VW and the infotainment was a lot more practical to use.
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Like sure fuck Elon, but why do you think FSD is unsafe? They publish the accident rate, it's lower than the national average.
There are times where it will fuck up, I've experienced this. However there are times where it sees something I physically can't because of either blindspots or pillars in the car.
Having the car drive and you intervene is statistically safer than the national average. You could argue the inverse is better (you drive and the car intervenes), but I'd argue that system would be far worse, as you'd be relinquishing final say to the computer and we don't have a legal system setup for that, regardless of how good the software is (e.g you're still responsible as the driver).
You can call it a marketing term, but in reality it can and does successfully drive point to point with no interventions normally. The places it does fuckup are consistent fuckups (e.g bad road markings that convey the wrong thing, and you only know because you've been on that road thousands of times). It's not human, but it's far more consistent than a human, in both the ways it succeeds and fails. If you learn these patterns you can spend more time paying attention to what other drivers are doing and novel things that might be dangerous (people, animals, etc ) and less time on trivial things like mechanically staying inside of two lines or adjusting your speed. Looking in your blindspot or to the side isn't nearly as dangerous for example, so you can get more information.
FSD beta is level 2 which still counts as a driver assist system. That's why it's on the driver's responsibility. Level 3 means you can do other stuff while the car drives itself. If Tesla was marketin FSD beta as level 3 then by definition they would need to take responsibility when it fails. So far there's only one death linked to FSD beta so I don't quite get where the "they don't care about safety" is coming from. I'm pretty sure V12 is already a safer driver than a human. When FSD beta fails it generally means it got stuck somewhere, not that it crashed and killed the passengers.
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That thing you have a free trial for just comes as standard in other cars at that price...
Sorry, I'm not aware, what car comes standard with that?
BMW
Lexus
Toyota
Cadillac
Genesis
Land Rover
Some of them are options, but none of them are subscription.
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Judging by the amount of Teslas I encounter in traffic it seems like there's plenty of reasons for people to buy one. It's a highly desired car. This anti-Tesla/Elon attitude isn't particularly common outside social media.
It's anecdotal, but I know a couple Tesla owners and they both have bitched about the range, quality control, and bad service.
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There are some people who really love their teslas. They don't have any models that fit what I want so I ignore them.
They can't make a good car at triple the price. Why would anyone buy this one?
I don’t think that’s how Tesla owners feel. 🤔 I think most are pretty happy. (Me included)
Hopefully yours doesn't have body panel gaps you can see from part way across the parking lot. A couple doctors at the surgery center I was at had Teslas, and one of them was pretty unhappy with the build quality on the one he got.
My dad is pretty unhappy with his Mercedes EQS which costs significantly more than the model S, it also had issues with loose interior trim and panel gaps. And despite the fairly high price point its still riddled with shitty plastic interior. It kind of feels like all manufacturers are rushing stuff out the door at the cost of QC.
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What are your feelings on the racist lunatic running the company?
Personally I was shopping Tesla Model Y vs Chevy Blazer. At a glance, this seems to fall right in with what you’re saying but the reality was very different.
- Tesla started off with an advantage by actually being available
- even when Blazer was released, as a new model, it had much worse quality issues, very little availability, and huge markups
- Tesla was a mature model, with no quality issues
- Tesla was much less expensive
- Tesla was rated 100 miles more range
- Tesla is much more efficient
- Tesla has an outstanding charging network
- Tesla has a much easier purchasing process, with fewer middlemen to scam profits
- Tesla software and automation is on a whole different level
The decision really wasn’t close
Hey, I'm happy you're happy. But Tesla absolutely still has quality control issues.
Regarding the sales process: in Tesla's early days, they received an exception to the requirement for needing to use dealerships. Generally this is very shady and is outright unfair towards other car manufacturers—even Rivian didn't get this same special treatment because lawmakers saw how Tesla abused it.
Tesla's growing monopoly on charging networks isn't something to be proud of, in my opinion, and neither is their proprietary charging cable. We need open standards.
Also, Tesla's mileage estimates are notoriously exaggerated. Perhaps technically you can get the claimed range if the entire trip is downhill…
- why is wanting to sell direct shady? You may have reasons to think this particular situation is, but the model is not inherently shady. Meanwhile car sales from dealerships have a long standing and well deserved reputation for shadiness. Surely not all are, but the sales model encourages it. Many of us dread dealing with a dealer after experiencing shady sales practices, so are happy to try a different model and see if it will be different. Certainly this was one of the only car purchases I’ve had where I didn’t feel dirty and abused.
- Tesla’s chargers are standard. Sure, they had to create their own since there was no standard at the time, but last year their cable and connector was accepted as a standard in the US and adopted by the majority of manufacturers
- There is no monopoly on chargers, there is only Tesla installing more than everyone else, and making sure they work. Now that most manufacturers are adopting that standard, their vehicles are becoming welcome on Tesla’s network
- while you’re right that I don’t get the range that was on the sticker for my Tesla, this is “normal”: my old Civic got 12mpg, my old Subaru got 21mpg, yet both were rated over 30. How you use it makes a huge difference
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Scrapped my plans to buy a Tesla a while ago!
Nah, it's coming right after the 2020 roadster
We just got the 2019 cyber truck, so we’re only a decade or so away from the roadster.
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For all the infallible saints and self-righteous pontificators in the comment section, it's okay to want Tesla to be successful and and make better cars, and also not want Elon Musk in charge of it.
Electric cars are for saving the auto industry, not the planet. End car dependency.
What is up with all these haters. My friend has a model Y for 3yrs now and never had any issues. It is a great car. Panels gaps are fine, no ratlling dash. I drove it and I loved it! If I could afford it, I would buy the new model 3.
Maybe Europe has different standards but they're great cars!
If you completely take Musk out of the equation, my issues with Tesla are:
- The whole carbon credits thing
- The price point is premium, but the build quality often isn't
- Other companies have largely eaten their lunch, launching solid EV's that rival or better Tesla
- Their reputation was built off of the end-goal of mass-producing affordable EV's, something they will now not do.
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Survivor bias is a thing. One car not having issues doesn't mean all or majority of them don't. Besides I think people have their expectations messed up. For a 60k$ car it has to be perfect, not just "not having issues" because in ICE world that amount of money buys you some seriously good car.
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Plus what’s up with hating a company just because it’s CEO is an outspoken dickhead? He doesn’t even seem to be paying attention to Tesla anymore, so can’t we decide on a company’s products, by what the company actually does?
And I’ll agree, maybe the rest of the world has other choices, but in the US, there are good reasons Tesla dominates the EV market. You don’t have to agree, but should be able to see the reality
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Tesla has abandoned plans to develop an affordable electric Model 2, according to a report in Reuters.
The news organization says it has reviewed company messages that say the affordable Model 2, which Tesla CEO Elon Musk claimed would sell for $25,000 or less, has been axed.
Then, this March, Musk told Tesla workers that the Model 2 would go into production at the company's factory in Berlin.
In light of this news, that statement certainly raises eyebrows—Reuters reports that one of its three unnamed sources told it that the decision to scrap the Model 2 was made in late February.
Instead, Musk is allegedly "all in on robotaxi," Tesla's plan to create an autonomous driving system that could allow its cars to compete with Uber or Lyft without a driver in the equation.
Earlier this week, Tesla posted its worst delivery results since 2020, with an 8.5 percent drop in deliveries year over year and yet another quarter of overproduction that has left the electric carmaker with nearly 150,000 vehicles produced but unsold.
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Well there goes my chance to own a Tesla.
Don't worry, you're not missing out on much.
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