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    flatpak remote-add flathub-verified --subset=verified https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
    
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    [–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I love flatpak but if you aren't using the AUR on arch what's the point?!

    [–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Wait people don’t just install arch to say that they use it ?

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I love Arch but I hate installing and configuring it.

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I might have something shocking to tell you. There are distros with good defaults!

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    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

    But that's okay as it's rolling release and unlike other distros you only need to do it exactly once...

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean most of it works for every distro, not just arch.

    [–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I really like Arch in general, I'd use it without the AUR too. Pacman is great, the repos are nice and girthy, the install process is fast, no bloat. Why wouldn't you use Arch?

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    because i want to trigger arch users

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The installation script fails much too often, so you have to do it manually.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

    He was asking for reasons to not use Arch... Installing by hand is (more than)half the fun.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

    it can still be faster than most other installers

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

    Other distros suck tho

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I just want new packages and Tumbleweed sucks, and don't even get me started on Fedora and their codec nonsense. Every time I tried Fedora I run into issues. You can't even use their packaged version of VLC cause they don't also package the correct version of ffmpeg. Fedora is a joke. Nobara even worse cause that one is outdated on top of it. Arch is the way and you are all wrong.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Agree on the Fedora problem, but the solution is pretty easy.

    # install the RPM packages, your system is auto detected, the packages take care of updating the repos
    sudo dnf install https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm
    
    # enable cisco-openh264 to be sure
    sudo dnf config-manager --enable fedora-cisco-openh264
    
    # install ffmpeg with allowerase
    sudo dnf install ffmpeg --allowerasing
    
    # or, if you just want videos, without uninstalling anything
    sudo dnf install libavcodec-freeworld
    

    Thats basically it. On the Atomic variants, installing libavcodec-freeworld is just as easy, but allowerasing doesnt work so you need to uninstall everything manually to unbreak ffmpeg. Or you just use uBlue where it is already done and default (this will also avoid any rpmfusion incompatibilities to happen on your device and on the server instead)

    Yes this is annoying, but you do that once and afterwards have a current release more stable than Arch, and an old-supported release that is even more stable.

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    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

    Don't you ever talk to me or my wife's distro ever again

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ah, a man of culture

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thank software patents for the codec trouble, not Fedora / Red Hat. They just don't want to get their asses sued for free software

    Anyway I can use VLC and ffmpeg just fine with RPMFusion, idk what ur issue is, but judging by that

    you are all wrong

    i probably just wasted my time on a brainless troll like you.

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    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The Arch repos, being quick, rolling, not restricted legally or being upstream of some corpo distro like Fedora or OpenSUSE etc

    Idk ask Steam?

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    There are people that choose flatpak for some apps and the AUR for other apps I heard from a friend 🌚

    [–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Meanwhile flatpack: (unverified)

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    They specifically only added the repo with verified apps

    flatpak remote-add flathub-verified --subset=verified https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo

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    [–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Flathub doesn't have the apps i need from AUR.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fair point. But when apps are on Flathub and people say "I dont care I have the AUR" they need to know.

    • the AUR has no verification at all
    • the apps have no permission system at all, so you need to trust them 100%
    • they are installed on your system and might mess up updates, give dependency errors etc.
    • their solution does not apply to nontechnical people. If a solution is not scaleable, it is not a good solution
    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    All you need to verify an AUR package is to read the PKGBUILD file, which is something the AUR keeps on encouraging you to do (this assumes that you trust the upstream repo, which is something that even official packagers of most distros do)

    Also a lot of flatpak packages aren't sand boxed enough to be safe and only ends up giving false sense of security to nontechnical users

    Your last point is extremely important though, AUR is horrible for nontechnical users (which is why the AUR discourages AUR helpers)

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    Okay having an easily readable build file is a bit missing. Flathub hides that a lot.

    I think their rating system, which is on the website and also GNOME Software, displays apps with home access as insecure.

    And somehow this seems to be general knowledge and an issue about a privilege escalation through a local override was just closed. Yay

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    [–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If an AUR package wants to install 137 python dependencies, I usually search for a flatpak instead.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Why is this the case? Have I been installing stuff wrong my entire life?

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    @pineapplelover @infeeeee No, some people just don't want to install tons of packages just for an application they want to use to. The more package means the higher chance for system breakage. It's better checking dependencies and pkgbuild before install

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah but I thought if I installed it through AUR natively then it would be better since if other programs need those same dependencies, I wouldn't have to install them again.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Beside what @[email protected] wrote:

    • If the package wants to install an awful amount of dependencies it means those dependencies are only used by that package on my system. Flatpaks contains all dependencies, so the required disk space would be similar to the flatpak.
    • My feeling is flatpak install time is quicker in this case, to install 1 flatpak vs 138 AUR packages. I never measured it though.
    • I only do this if an insane amount of dependencies needed. Some dependencies are normal, if more than 50 than I think AUR is not an ideal way to distribute a software, or also include a -bin package.
    • If no flatpak available I still install the 137 dependencies, so nothing wrong with that, it's simply the way I like to manage my system.
    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Personally i like chaotic-aur because it's already pre compiled
    The only aur packages on my is system is stacer-bin (the only cleaner i trust other than bleachbit)

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    Stacer for the win!

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    You can remove dependencies after install, at least in yay, I never do tho.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    That's install dependencies (in PKGBUILD they are called makedepends), python programs usually need them for runtime (depends in PKGBUILD). On the main page of a package they are listed together, but on the PKGBUILD they are separate

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    😁 I know (well that about two types of dependencies)

    That python dependency seem more a upstream issue, not a AUR issue, isn’t it? I mean, if I install the same app from another source, it still needs those dependencies, isn’t it?

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I don't care about flatpaks, overlays have everything

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    What is "overlays"? You can overlay packages with various package managers from many repos on many distros

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

    I just hate snaps lol

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have just had bad experiences with flatpack so I don't want to use it and the aur has the stuff I need and flatpack dose not

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