There should be laws against this everywhere (with other forms of data collection included). There's no way preventing cheating is more important than the fundamental rights to security and privacy.
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Just last year I was at a security conf and they said the biggest threat to security right now is anticheat software, especially that owned by state actors. The venn diagram for people with anti cheat installed and people with admin priveliges and SSH keys for work installed is almost a circle.
Time to switch to Fidelity
Bruh
I thought it was weird when my investment portfolio started investing heavily into Bad Dragon. I'm remember to close those tabs next time I log in.
This was my first thought. Why is Vangaurd interested in what games I play and how are they doing this when I don't think they have anything to install on my PC?
Also any time you open a webpage in Windows, a nude photo is taken of you (whether you're currently clothed or not) and posted on your mom's Facebook.
My source for this is the same as OP's.
A cheating website doesn't like Vanguard. Big shocker.
Or MAYBE, people who enjoy "hacking" (the actual programmers, not "cheaters") and go decompile/learn the inner workings of programs might have a better idea of what's going on? Just a wild guess.
I'm a professional software developer. The people hacking league of legends are doing it for money. Guess what kind of activities make money.
As a fellow professional software developer, you are being silly if you don't think people do this kind of shit for fun.
Okay, do YOU honestly think Riot is taking screenshots from regular players and sending them to their servers?
Or is it more likely that this is propaganda stemming from people who make money selling cheats (and those who are convinced by those rumors)?
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I've tried to see if this is real but I fail to find any source code leaks for Vanguard or if it has ever been leaked. The poster himself also doesn't seem that credible unless your definition of credible is "THE TERROR OF RIOT GAMES".
Am I missing something or is this post likely just bullshit?
EDIT: It's does seem to be real, though in the same thread other people with higher reputation did chime in that it doesn't take screenshots of your other monitors, just the one Valorant is on.
I've tried to see if this is real but I fail to find any source code leaks for Vanguard or if it has ever been leaked.
The variable names suggest it's a decompilation.
I was sent this via a friend not sure if it is fake/bullshit I will remove. I did a quick pass on his twitter and such and seemed legit enough not sure
It's fake/bullshit unless you have a source more reliable than "some guy on Twitter".
Every time you play a game that uses vanguard or every time you play any game?
Both are bad, but one is way worse
I don’t play Valorant, so I can’t say. I do know, however, that it runs as a Windows service, so it’s always on and always keeping an eye on your system.
Yeah BC why shouldn't they know you enjoy Asian ladies with big titties!
You aint got nothing to hide, or do you?!
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Imagine being treated like this just to play a fucking game...
Which games use Vanguard?
Valorant, as of right now. I don’t think any other games use it.
League of Legends I think just started using it as well, breaking it's linux support.
League of Legends recently adopted it.
Didn't it just roll out to league of legends?
Intriguing.
I don't have any games that use Vanguard, but if I did, I'd be queuing them up for some TLS interception and analysis.
Many people criticize that, but I can't really think of any non invasive solution to draw away cheaters, except making specialized device to play the game (sort of PS4 to play one single game only?), but pretty sure it won't take long for cheat providers to crack it as well... Sadly.
but I can't really think of any non invasive solution to draw away cheaters
Server-Side Anticheat. The Minecraft community has been doing it ALL ON THEIR OWN for YEARS, effectively.
Yep, This is the way.
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server side anticheat is the only ultimate solution.
all client side anticheat measures will have vulnerabilities that will be found and people will cheat. (look at DMA pci cards, for instance)
How would a server side anti-cheat prevent a DMA exploit?
Don't send opponents location until they are visible for example. That way a wallhack won't work.
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it simply wouldn't trust the client with anything the player shouldn't know, to minimize cheating potential. valorant does this, and made a blog post about it. also, player movement could be analyzed server side to attempt to distiguish between cheating and legit.
I think client side invasive anti cheat is likely more effective than this, but its a cat and mouse game. if the anticheat was server side and good, there isn't anything to attack
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Kernel anticheat also doesn't work, Valorant is full of cheaters, and Apex Legends players had their game remotely hacked installing cheat software mid tournament match. And an increasing number of cheats bypass the computer/console all together, and replace inputs to the computer to allow macros or aim-botting. Recently a monitor was announced for league of legends that will track enemy players movement and location for you from the video feed alone.
The best way to prevent cheating are with good server side anticheat. Another possibility is that companies can offer secure computers through a live streaming service like Geforce Now, which would be more secure than kernel anticheat without any of the privacy issues.
As far as I know there is no evidence to support the fact that the hack was installed remotely. It's much more likely that it was a targeted attack where they gained access to the compromised system some other way, then waited for the tournament to act.
But I agree with you that there is also plenty of evidence pointing to cheaters getting past kernel level anti cheat in games like valorant and continuing to cheat.
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