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  • Rabbit R1 AI box is actually an Android app in a limited $200 box, running on AOSP without Google Play.
  • Rabbit Inc. is unhappy about details of its tech stack being public, threatening action against unauthorized emulators.
  • AOSP is a logical choice for mobile hardware as it provides essential functionalities without the need for Google Play.
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[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 240 points 11 months ago (7 children)

It's so weird how they're just insisting it isn't an android app even though people have proven it is. Who do they expect to believe them?

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 137 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The same question was asked a million times during the crypto boom. "They're insisting that [some-crypto-project] is a safe passive income when people have proven that it's a ponzi scheme. Who do they expect to believe them?" And the answer is, zealots who made crypto (or in this case, AI) the basis of their entire personality.

[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 months ago

In this case the same people made both, so they are already practiced

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 49 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Their target audience are the most gullible tech evangelists in the world that think AI is magic. If there was a limit to the lies those people are willing to believe, they wouldn't be buying the thing to begin with.

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[–] cyrus@sopuli.xyz 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They are technically not wrong when they say that the whole experience isn't made up of just an App

They are intentionally dodging the ACTUAL question.

Anyways here is a leak of their "LAM", which is just playwright for the most part. https://web.archive.org/web/20240424133441if_/https://pixeldrain.com/api/file/vYHXbUwP?download

With that, we have both components, yay?

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[–] sickhack@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It’s the Juicero strategy.

“You can’t squeeze our juice packs! Only our special machine can properly squeeze our juice packs for optimal taste!”

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Ahh, the good ol' days, before we knew how batshit AvE was.

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[–] Anamana@feddit.de 17 points 11 months ago (12 children)

They have thought of a specific design for the device using its own interaction modality and created a product that is more than just software.

Therefore don't get why people refer to it being just an app? Does it make it worth less, because it runs on Android? Many devices, e.g. e-readers are just Android Apps as well. If it works it works.

In this case it doesn't, so why not focus on that?

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

The point being, they are charging 200 bucks for hardware that is superfluous and low end for an incomplete software experience that could be delivered without that on an app. The question is, are you going to give up your smartphone for this new device? Are you going to carry both? Probably not.

"It can do 10% of the shit your phone can do, only slower, on a smaller screen, with its own data connection, and inaccurately because you have to hope that our "AI" is sufficiently advanced to understand a command, take action on that command, and respond in a short amount of time. And that's not to even speak about the horrible privacy concerns or that it's a brick without connection!"

Everything about this project seems lackluster at best, other than maybe the aesthetic design from teenage engineering, but even then, their design work seems a bit repetitive. But that may be due to how the company is asking for the work. "We wanna be like Nothing and Playdate!!" "I gotchu fam!"

To address your point about e-readers, they have specific use cases. Long battery lives, large, efficient e-ink displays, and the convenience of having all your books, or a large subset, available to you offline! But when those things aren't a concern, yea, an app will do.

Like with most contemporary product launches, I simply find myself asking, "Who is this for?"

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 132 points 11 months ago (9 children)

The AI boom in a nutshell. Repackaged software and content with a shiny AI coat of paint. Even the AI itself is often just repackaged chatgpt.

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[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 116 points 11 months ago (52 children)

Why are there AI boxes popping up everywhere? They are useless. How many times do we need to repeat that LLMs are trained to give convincing answers but not correct ones. I've gained nothing from asking this glorified e-waste something, pulling out my phone and verifying it.

[–] cron@feddit.de 57 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What I don't get is why anyone would like to buy a new gadget for some AI features. Just develop a nice app and let people run it on their phones.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's why though. Because they can monetize hardware. They can't monetize something a free app does.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The answer is "marketing"

They have pushed AI so hard in the last couple of years they have convinced many that we are 1 year away from Terminator travelling back in time to prevent the apocalypse

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[–] blaine@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (27 children)

I just used ChatGPT to write a 500-line Python application that syncs IP addresses from asset management tools to our vulnerability management stack. This took about 4 hours using AutoGen Studio. The code just passed QA and is moving into production next week.

https://github.com/blainemartin/R7_Shodan_Cloudflare_IP_Sync_Tool

Tell me again how LLMs are useless?

[–] VeryVito@lemmy.ml 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To be honest… that doesn’t sound like a heavy lift at all.

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[–] dimeslime@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago

It's a shortcut for experience, but you lose a lot of the tools you get with experience. If I were early in my career I'd be very hesitant relying on it as its a fragile ecosystem right now that might disappear, in the same way that you want to avoid tying your skills to a single companies product. In my workflow it slows me down because the answers I get are often average or wrong, it's never "I'd never thought of doing it that way!" levels of amazing.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (14 children)

You used the right tool for the job, saved you from hours of work. General AI is still a very long ways off and people expecting the current models to behave like one are foolish.

Are they useless? For writing code, no. Most other tasks yes, or worse as they will be confiently wrong about what you ask them.

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[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.ml 102 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I heard someone even leaked the apk LMAO that's hilarious that your 200 dollar product can be literally pirated

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You wouldn't download a bunny...

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[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 84 points 11 months ago (14 children)

I'm confused by this revelation. What did everybody think the box was?

[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Magic

In all reality, it is a ChatGPTitty "fine"tune on some datasets they hobbled together for VQA and Android app UI driving. They did the initial test finetune, then apparently the CEO or whatever was drooling over it and said "lEt'S mAkE aN iOt DeViCe GuYs!!1!" after their paltry attempt to racketeer an NFT metaverse game.

Neither this nor Humane do any AI computation on device. It would be a stretch to say there's even a possibility that the speech recognition could be client-side, as they are always-connected devices that are even more useless without Internet than they already are with.

Make no mistake: these money-hungry fucks are only selling you food cans labelled as magic beans. You have been warned and if you expect anything less from them then you only have your own dumbass to blame for trusting Silicon Valley.

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[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I think the issue is that people were expecting a custom (enough) OS, software, and firmware to justify asking $200 for a device that's worse than a $150 phone in most every way.

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[–] TomMasz@kbin.social 58 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So it's just a single app running on a minimal Android implementation, the AI is done on remote servers and it still gets lousy battery life? Sounds like they dropped the ball on design. Nevertheless, no one is going to carry this that doesn't already have a phone that can do everything the Rabbit does. It has no reason to exist.

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I don't even understand what the point is of this product. Seems like e-waste at first glance.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

It's just marketing to be like "look at how capable our AI is with just one button". I mean if you want to be charitable it's an interesting design exercise, but wasteful and frivolous when everyone is already carrying devices that are far more capable supersets of this.

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[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 53 points 11 months ago (4 children)

lol at calling running Android an "emulator".

Also don't they have to distribute the actual code for the OS if it's lightly altered Android?

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My understanding is that if you only add modules on top, those can stay closed source. It's possible the AOSP portion of the stack is still stock and untouched.

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[–] finkrat@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This is why I cringe at cell phone manufacturers selling cloud and AI features based on phone models because wtf you're not running that cloud on that handset so why do you gatekeep the product behind that model? It can't require that many resources, it's a cloud app!

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[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago

I defend a lot of misunderstood ai but this doesn't have any good qualities even if it wasn't a scam

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 35 points 11 months ago (3 children)

it has the same cpu as my budget 100$ phone from 2018 lol

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It does not need much to upload data and play audio. They could probably have gone even lower.

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[–] laxe@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Should’ve named the company Snake Oil Inc.

[–] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 25 points 11 months ago (5 children)

their page to link accounts to it was not a real webapp, it was a novnc page that would connect to an ubuntu vm that runs chrome with no sandboxing and basic password store under fluxbox wm

someone dumped the home directory from it

[–] cheet@infosec.pub 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Holy shit, that's actually hilarious, I imagine someone would have noticed when their paste/auto type password managers didn't work

For those confused, this sounds like instead of making a real website, they spin up a vm, embed a remote desktop tool into their website and have you login through chrome running on their VM, this is sooooo sketch it, its unreal anyone would use this in a public product.

Imagine if to sign into facebook from an app, you had to go to someone else's computer, login and save your credentials on their PC, would that be a good idea?

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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The issue isn’t even with what it runs on, albeit selling it as specialized hardware is really bizarre, when it’s just a glorified embedded platform with a scroll wheel

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[–] Zoots@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

An app that would require root access to fully operate. It is designed to run and use apps automatically. Large Action Mode, I think. Easiest way to get this out is a standalone device

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 11 months ago

This is the business equivalent of throwing a tantrum.

[–] danhab99@programming.dev 20 points 11 months ago

•Rabbit Inc. is unhappy about details of its tech stack being public, threatening action against unauthorized emulators.

All android devices are "emulators" like their hardware isn't special

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Ubuntu is just a bunch of apps running on Debian! Did you know you can take Ubuntu app .deb files and run them on Debian?

Look. The R1 is stupid, but this isn't the reason why.

[–] lorkano@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Such a bad comparison. In the case of Debian and Ubuntu apps you run both apps on your hardware you already have. In case of rabbit, you could just run app on your phone instead of buying rabbit. Rabbit does not offer anything more than their app does when installed on android phone. It's even better on android phone because phone is faster.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Programmed electronic revealed to be running a program?

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (10 children)

No, revealed to not be specific design at all. The device is actually a terrible phone with less feature than a phone, nothing more. The app would likely run as-is on any Android phone with 100% of the feature provided.

Paying $200 for a bottom of the line smartphone that can't smartphone is a bit much.

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