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Trump and Republicans slam Biden over pledge to withhold weapons from Israel over Rafah
(www.usatoday.com)
this post was submitted on 09 May 2024
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This is what abstaining from voting will invite for protesters and Palestinians.
We tried to tell them.
Future tense. We should continue to try. I won’t judge someone who votes for Trump with conviction. The voter disenfranchisement manipulation on Lemmy is what needs to be challenged. It’s an unethical disengagement strategy, historically used by Republicans to disenfranchise Democratic voters.
I would legitimately be interested to hear what convictions a trump voter had that were real, actual, policy positions.
They’re just generic sales slogans and whatever gaffes he makes that the crowd applauds loudest for. Not actual considered positions.
That’s largely been my experience too, but I’m willing to hear out anything other than the “you can’t vote for that guy” line anymore. Trump’s base will vote him in if enough abstain. Inaction is action.
Lemmy didn’t cause this:
No it didn’t. Those protests are driving the change we keep seeing in the news, and I applaud them for it. They wouldn’t do anything but get arrested and vilified if Trump were in office, as he said in the posted article.
[Biden is] ”taking the side of these terrorists, just like he has sided with the Radical Mobs taking over our college campuses."
I don’t think Macklemore is on Lemmy.
We can offer evidence and opinions, but people are gonna vote as individuals, as they should. Motivating others to vote for Biden was always going to be an uphill struggle because of his age, but with the ongoing genocide… whew… it just makes people defensive and hardens their resolve to defend their position.
That’s fine. Healthy debate is good for the democratic process. Biden certainly has flaws. I personally see many more in Trump. The point is, people should vote, and encouraging others to abstain is disingenuous and unethical.
As for the genocide, Biden is currently pulling away from Israel and Trump literally just said that the US should do the opposite in the posted article. That’s not really an argument.
That's a map.
We're discussing voter manipulation and encouraged disengagement of voters.
Stop being dense.
It’s a map of potential voters that conceivably won’t vote for Biden. Which is entirely relevant because despite the success of swaying voters on Lemmy, it is still a drop in the bucket compared to overall disengagement.
The point- When Biden loses in November, it will be erroneous to blame it on the small number of voters on Lemmy. The blame will rest on Biden and the DNC, not the small numbers of voters on Lemmy.
I'm sure centrists have some conspiracy theory for why the genocide they supported for so long isn't as popular as they wanted it to be.
The one in Ukraine? Those tankies seem to be FINE with it.
We haven't been sending weapons to Russia in order to commit genocide.
Thank you for the demonstration of exactly what I was talking about. Centrists can't imagine that Netanyahu's genocide isn't as popular with everyone else as it is with centrists, so they have to pretend that there are tankies behind every rock.
BuT bOtH SIdEs, cAnT YoU sEe I'm e n L I g H t E N e D?
Been telling them this for a long time now. Can’t get past their outrage.
Good. that's the message we need to go back and forth here to get uneducated voters away from voting trump because "Biden genocide". Trump will be worse.
*Trump is worse for everyone that’s not a straight rich white Christian industrialist male with a subterranean bunker.
He’s legitimately good for those guys.
Edit: Whoosh.
Depends. How do you like your government officials? Competent? Or no?
Who do you believe to be more competent? The guy who rambles on until the media cuts him off and farts himself awake during trial daily, or the guy that’s four years older than him?
Is that a serious question?
The guy 4 years older than him.
10,000:1
~~You do you. Agree to disagree.~~
Edit: I reversed what you said in my head. Yes, I would take Biden over Trump any day.
I’ll go with the guy that wasn’t explicitly referenced as the one “who rambles on until the media cuts him off and fart himself awake during trial daily.” Shit, the fact that people are considering someone who’s in trial daily is incredibly disappointing.
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The bOtH siDeS crew must be losing their minds
Recently, I was arguing with one, and they unironically suggested we'd be in a better position now if Trump had won in 2020.
Which is to say, I think you need to have one first in order to lose it.
Oh, the Nazis are angry that a genocide is being paused? What a shocker!
Until very recently, centrist Democrats were calling anyone who suggested withholding weapons russian chinese child shill bot tankie fascists.
I think you mean Republicans. Current polls show 58% of them are still in support of Israel.
https://zeteo.com/p/gaza-israel-genocide-poll-ceasefire-us-voters
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Oh no,the Democrats used a mean name you didn't like.
Please show us on the doll where that hurt you.
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Was it a body slam? Trump is quite fat.
Are we not pointing out "slammed" any more? I'm okay with that trend dying.
So that means it's a good idea.
Now you know it’s the right thing to do.