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I had this discussion with a friend, and we really couldn't reach a consensus.

My friend thinks Lemmy (and other Reddit-like platforms) is social media because you're interacting with other people, liking/disliking submissions, and all the content is user-generated.

I think it isn't because you're not following individual people, just communities/topics. Though I concede there are some aspects of social media present, I feel that overall it's not because my view of social media is that you're primarily following individuals.

In my view, these link aggregator + comment platforms are more like an evolution of forums which both my friend and I agreed don't meet the criteria to be considered social media (though they maintain that Reddit-like platforms are social media while I do not).

So I'm asking Lemmy now to weigh in to help settle this friendly debate.

Edit: Thanks everyone! From the comments, it sounds like my friend and I are both right and both wrong. lol. Feel free to keep chiming in, but I have to go do the 9-5 thing that pays my mortgage and cloud hosting bills.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think it's a massive forum.

I think of social media as Facebook where it's your real name and contacts who you interact with (primarily anyway).

But this is any number of topics you can go in and out of, with a huge array of strangers that you may or may not interact with again. More links, discussion, specialities.

You can get into precise definitions to force Lemmy/Reddit into social media, but I'm still forum.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Aren't forums technically social media as well?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't really think it matters to have some context-free definition. It certainly is very much like social media in a lot of ways, and even you seem to acknowledge that. Unless your friend is trying to compare reddit like apps to Facebook in ways it isn't like Facebook, how you label them doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not exactly. Lemmy (like Reddit) is a social news/link aggregator. So it’s not social media per se, but it’s certainly social media adjacent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lmao because you changed media to news/links it's somehow adjacent?

I can't believe the number of comments like this one. All these online platforms are social media

Social media websites and applications that enable users to create and share content or to participate in social networking.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemme isn’t a social network like Facebook or Instagram or TikTok

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Facebook isn't like instagram, instagram isn't like tiktok, tiktok isn't like lemmy, Lemmy isn't like Twitter, but they are all social media.

When people find communities like making bread or wtv and share tips and pictures, that's networking. Plenty of support communities too.

Most create content, and post it publicly for other social circles to see their media. It's social media lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you're using a pretty arbitrary definition for your opinion, and i disagree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the arbitrary definitions of the dictionary are my opinion. Well formed argument

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being petulant and throwing a tantrum isn’t really a good argument either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So now i'm "throwing a tantrum" because saying I was inventing definitions (from the dictionary) didn't work. Seems like youre the one throwing a tantrum because you were wrong. My argument is fine and far from pedantic. Saying "news and links" aren't "media" is what's pedantic

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most create content, and post it publicly for other social circles to see their media. It's social media lol

this isnt even kind of true. most users of these systems post nothing. the content posters are a very small, valuable contingent compared to the lurkers/viewers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah that's a badly written sentence. "Most post for other social circles to see their media when they create content".

Doesn't change the arguments that this is social media. Lemmings and reditors just like to feel special

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

so the term social media involves any written word where more than one person can see it. got it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Essentially , but that wouldn't be totally correct, youre framing it that way to make a strawman. The definition is:

Social media websites and applications that enable users to create and share content or to participate in social networking.

So written words, shared on a platform made to exchange words and images publicly for others to discuss/comment on, if you really don't want to use the dictionary.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's social media and how social media can be a useful utility without preying on its user base by selling info or advertising shoddy products or whatever.

The term social media is descriptive of an interactive web client like a chat forum. It's not necessarily bad the way propaganda is not necessarily false or malicious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn't want to associate this place with the garbage social media pits like Facebook and Instagram...

I liked the idea of calling it antisocial media, because it really is about building the opposite of what Facebook and Instagram is about.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Fell like it could be used as social media, but I tend to use it as a forum

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I feel like it's similar to social media, but serves a different purpose at least in my use of it. With social media sites like Facebook and Instagram I'm mostly interacting with people I know in real life. To me it seems closer to Youtube, because for both of those it connects me more to larger cultural or artistic things, rather than what's going on with my friends.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's all social media as the content of the site is generated by users interacting with each other.

The difference you've identified is between individualist & content-focused social media.

Most networks are the individualist kind, you follow people and they post about their lives for the most part

Reddit & lemmy are primarily content focused social media as you follow topics and post about them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

So, I think forums are a form of social media, so trying to say this is a forum and not social media isn't a good argument for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think they are. In my view, social media is either personal ( i.e. pictures on Facebook, Instagram, or Snapchat ) or short + very mainstream ( Twitter, TikTok). Reddit has too many niches that collectively make up an enormous chunk of the platform, plus it is very anonymous. I'd argue that the same is true of YouTube, and a lot of the content is closer to TV and journalism.

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