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[–] [email protected] 184 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I would mind less if the American auto industry was producing affordable lightweight EVs...

[–] [email protected] 90 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or cars with any level of quality.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey man the Toyota I drive was made in the USA, it's great.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

To that end, this means we would need to lower standards, use some forced labor, and increase taxes to increase subsidies in order to compete.

Republicans would shoot down the subsidies.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (11 children)

No it literally wouldn't. It's absolutely possible to produce smaller lightweight vehicles with the exact same standards. But unfortunately we've all been pushed towards larger vehicles. Simply because they make more money on them.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago (7 children)

The push towards large vehicles was due to the fact that they used a truck chassis, and were exempt from safety and emissions requirements of a “car”

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Just producing EV versions of Honda Fit or Ford Fiesta like what the Chinese EV makers do is enough. Instead, they keep producing EVs with luxury features (and high price tags) then surprised people won't buy them without subsidy.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Then China shouldn’t subsidize its manufacturers’ exports while increasing the burden for foreign companies to compete internally. If anyone thinks China cornering the global EV market is a good long term plan, they are naive.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But I really wanted to die driving the suda sa01 ev which boasts features such as; zero crash ratings standards, and no air bags.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

Stop whining and enjoy dying from obesity related complications and Healthcare bankruptcy like the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The US subsidizes american car companies too. Pot calling the kettle and all.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (18 children)

China is becoming an increasingly unreliable trade partner. Preventing them from completely taking over a segment is prudent.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Yes, but there's already a steep tariff, it would be nice to let them light a small fire under the us automakers so they make better products for us, instead were kinda just letting them be evil and lazy.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"We want expensive American EVs that most people can't afford, not cheap Chinese ones....."

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (5 children)

China is subsidizing EV production and selling cars below cost. Allowing them to be sold in the US would kill the domestic EV market. How is that better for Americans?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Americans get cheaper EVs and the legacy auto industry gets taught a valuable lesson as companies who refused to modernize go bankrupt.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

wasn't that the whole point of capitalism anyways? /s

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago (7 children)

With how china keeps implanting everything with spyware, I agree to keep them away from the heavy tech incorporated cars. Really wish we could transition away from using chinese shit

[–] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago (3 children)

All auto manufacturers put spyware in their cars now. This isn't a china problem, this is an everyone problem. We need anti-spyware laws that apply to everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Something something free market

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Might be a valid argument if China didn't play currency games.

Also, the protectionist in me wants American heavy industry to continue to exist.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey, capitalism is only good when it makes the rich richer...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

China flooding the market with cheap EVs still makes the rich richer... Just different rich people in a different country.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Make them in Mexico. Less reliance on one country is better for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They’re trying to block mexican made Chinese vehicles as well. They don’t want Americans buying cheap evs.

[–] Anyolduser 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, they don't want the profits getting funneled off to China.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

Thats great for GM and Ford shareholders. It just means Americans can’t afford cars.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (15 children)

Isn't it a national security risk?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Then he should solve the issue by requiring the code to be hosted on American servers with source code inspection.

Not by making EVs unaffordable.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Novel idea: make a car, not a cloud service. My phone is better at navigation etc anyways.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anti China Republicans are going to HATE this! They would MUCH rather Elect the man whose Daughter got over 70 patents FASTTRACKED in China once he was elected!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

They would just put their hands on their ears and repeat "Hunter Biden laptop" until a scary fact like that one goes away.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (7 children)

If only he could extend that rationale to every industry

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Protectionism only works in the VERY short term. If the USA doesn't pull its finger out of its ass and make affordable good EVs, then its automotive industry will crash and burn. Because the rest of the world unaffected by tariffs will be buying Chinese (or Korean / European) EVs and not American ones because they'll be expensive and suck.

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