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Telegram Reportedly "Ready to Fight Piracy" According to Govt. Official * TorrentFreak (torrentfreak.com)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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At various times, most social media platforms have received criticism for alleged failure to prevent distribution of copyright-infringing content. Few, however, have been threatened with widespread blocking more often than Telegram. In a row that seemed ready to boil over last year, Telegram was given an ultimatum by the Malaysian government; come to the negotiating table or face the consequences. A Malaysian minister now says that Telegram is ready to fight piracy.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Too bad Telegram isn't as ready to fight Nazi propaganda on their service, but they would have to start with the white supremacist symbolism their own blog was slipping into release posts.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

but they would have to start with the white supremacist symbolism their own blog was slipping into release posts.

Can you provide a link for this? Interested in reading about it

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

I rather have free speech, if you don't like Telegram then use something else.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Putting someone else's life in danger (unprovoked) is not a free speech

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's different, free speech is not about putting people on danger.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

Promoting nazism IS inherently putting people in danger, that IS their thing

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Nazi bullshit isn't free speech. That's a trash argument. You need to look inside and find what part of you is broken if you think otherwise. Fuck Nazi anything. They don't have a right to free speech. They lost that when they became Nazi's.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Mute or else, it's that easy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Lol..is that some kind of threat?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You sound deranged, buddy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

If you disagree that's your opinion buddy

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Tolerating intolerance leads to disappearance of tolerance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

With open dialogue, education and respect you can have both.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's with polarization that things spin out of control. When the left thinks the right are nazi's and the right think the left are commies, that's when people become less critical of themselves and hatred spirals into a civil war, and the one that's on top will do anything to prevent the 'enemy' taking over. Tolerating verbal intolerance is a good thing. That's why your own statement is tolerated, it's literally advocating intolerance (be it indirectly in favor of tolerance). I really don't believe your statement is correct. Tolerance leads to tolerance. Intolerance leads to more intolerance. Not tolerating intolerance doesn't make it disappear, it just makes people feel more strongly about it. When I cant think something or people look down on me for it, I am definitely gonna think it some more. Actual violence should of course not be tolerated. Ergo: is it ok to punch a nazi? No ofcourse not... unless the civil war has started yet and all tolerance is gone, but let's not go there.....

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I find your point interesting and I agree to some extent.

When I have people around me that express some type of radical view I usually casually mention a slight disagreement or let it slide because I know going into a debate with me won't really change much.

However expressing opinions and feelings that are inherently based on hatred or lack of understanding, at least from what history has told, will lead to them being acted upon. Having resenting opinions about LGBT, for example, and grouping up with people with that mindset will probably spiral it into more lack of understanding and stronger opinions against it. Eventually leading to a growing and potentially spreading resentment against it. This extends to religion, skin colour, countries, mental diagnoses or anything else really.

What the "core" is so to speak is about things that people can't inherently control, being born differently, being born in a certain place, etc.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

.ml user don't be a fascist challenge.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Free speech is not about being fascist 🙄

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but what you're describing isn't freedom of speech; freedom of speech is the prohibition against the government taking action for the contents of the opinions you express. It has nothing to do with what a non-government platform allows or disallows.

A platform that allows Nazis is a Nazi platform, plain and simple.

I realize you're probably a dishonest pos, so this is for the benefit of whoever else reads it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It's also censorship if we are speaking of platforms.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Funny how the .ml admins are so opposed to free speech on their own server, then.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm disappointed so many people disagree with this. Yes, now they're blocking opinions you don't like, but if they choose to block opinions you agree with, I doubt they'd continue whistling the same tune.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

There's a big difference between blocking baseless, hate-fueled bullshit, and blocking actually credible information proving that people in power are encroaching on the rights and freedoms of others...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It seems this instance is becoming like second Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

First you say you'd rather have freedom of speech when arguing about keeping racial bullshit alive on the platform.

Then you say you're against freedom of speech when the platform starts to look like Reddit with people calling out that racist troglodytes have no place in modern society.

Hmmm, it's almost like you don't want freedom of speech, you want pools to blast diarrhea into.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I want freedom of speech not second reddit

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, you want validation for your shitty ideology, buddy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Or you.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

These fucks just can't stop spoiling everything for people

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

RIP OnlyFans leaks on telegram

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So far, this isn't much of anything.

Telegram already closes public channels reported for copyright violations.

Some excerpts from this post:

Compared to other platforms, we do not see the seriousness of Telegram to cooperate.

. . .

In May 2023, progress appeared to be going in the wrong direction. Telegram was reportedly refusing to cooperate with the Ministry of Communications and Digital on the basis it did not wish to participate in any form of politically-related censorship.

. . .

With no obviously public comment from Telegram on the matter, it’s hard to say how the social platform views its end of what appears to be an informal agreement.

Telegram will be acutely aware, however, that whatever it gives, others will demand too. That may ultimately limit Telegram’s response, whatever it may be, whenever it arrives – if it even arrives at all.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How much responsibility would a service like Signal have, if they were to inadvertently host a private group for pirated content? I believe signal groups can have up to 1000 members, and these members can be pretty anonymous given the need to only share an ephemeral username which can not be linked to a phone number or any other identity? Can they claim plausible deniability and not do anything?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

IANAL and all the other anals, but my understanding is Signal wouldn't be liable and wouldn't have to do anything. They designed their service so they can't know the content of the messages, so if a third party Maloyse (see what I'm doing there?) is reporting a message between Alice and Bob that Maloyse thinks to be illegal, Signal would be within legal grounds to bring into question how did M got that message, and it can't be used as proof against Signal because there is no legal mechanism by which Signal could have acquired that message and act upon it - in fact, Signal has grounds to suspect Maloyse is crafting those messages, since neither Alice nor Bob have reported such message.

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[–] Gimpydude 4 points 10 months ago

This is the correct answer. Both Alice and Bob approve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In a group chat, M wouldn't be a 3rd party.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maloyse absolutely can:

eavesdrop above Alice's shoulder
be an evil, militarily dressed maid on ~~Bob~~ Alice's home
have remote administrative permissions on Bob's phone
("accidentally") get a full-workspace snapshot of Charlie's desktop while he has the group open in Signal Desktop
Sneak around and check the phone while Alice and Donny are having sex
Hit Charlie with a $5 wrench

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Yes, but we're discussing group chats disseminating piracy links. Do you think it's harder to join such a group chat and report it to signal than it is to do all the cloak and dagger nonsense?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

What if that happens on Session? Can the nodes operators be sued even though they have no access to the content?

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