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[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Cool.

Now everybody go fucking vote.

Protest every fucking step of the way. But on 11/5 get your ass to the polls. Voting is not an endorsement, it's a measure to hold back the christofascist state so more ten year olds don't have to carry their rapist's baby to term.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (6 children)

"We can help you push Biden left once he's president!" - Dems in 2020

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Don't vote -> ??? -> World peace

Draw me the rest of the fucking owl. I've yet to hear a plan as to how not voting actually helps anyone.

I have no illusions what Biden is. Or what Trump is. Vote.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How much are you getting paid? I only wish I was as passionate about my job as you are about yours.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I do it for free. Off to Long Beach Pride!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Have fun. If you have your way, it might be for the last time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We'll survive. We always do.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

There tons of LGBTQ + that wish they could be around to disagree with that ignorant statement. But you don’t really care about that do you?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you want nudge your government to the left you certainly won't achieve it by letting the candidate from the right win.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (14 children)

What do you suggest the left do? I know you’ve said you believe in protesting at the polls. What’s step two?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In good faith: did you hear anyone actually say this? Biden's a Clinton Democrat: more friendly to big business than to the working class. He was never going to be a class-leftist, and nobody promised he would be.

But he has been socially liberal, and he didn't need any nudging. He was always socially liberal.

And those are your choices, for better or worse: an economically right-leaning, socially left-leaning old white man; or an economically hard-right, socially hard-right old white man.

The only way to fix this is to get rid of the electoral college and implement something other than first-past-the-post voting. Not voting is not going to fix it. In the meantime, you try to get the guy elected who isn't trying to instigate a dictatorship.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Biden has not been socially liberal. He's been an establishment Democrat his whole career. He has trailed the left and towed the line of the party, but he has patently not been socially liberal. However, he has atleast brought on policy advisors who are socially liberal like Heather Boushey, Stef Feldman, and Brian Deese.

Here are some links for reference.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/20/18677998/joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-law-mass-incarceration

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/us/politics/biden-centrist.html

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/11/opinions/biden-budget-proposal-centrism-ghitis/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/us/politics/joe-biden-advisers.html

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Now everybody go fucking vote.

Vote for whom? You clearly don't want me to vote for just anyone, so say the name. Stop being a pussy and say who it is you want me to vote for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Sorry! I thought in context the message was overt. I'll use direct and simple language for you.

Anyone who doesn't want 10 year olds be forced to carry their rapist's baby: Vote. For. Biden.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Another idiot leading the charge to do nothing and expect results. At least this isn’t out of character for her.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

She endorsed Biden and kept pushing for him in 2020. Now because she voices how she feels she's an idiot?

Blue MAGA gonna Blue MAGA. Voter shaming doesn't work.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yes. This has been explained to you every time you post your anti-Biden propaganda.

NOT VOTING AND EXPECTING CHANGE IS BAD.

Nothing will change. You’re not doing anything that hasn’t been done many times in the past- provenly with zero results. All you’re going to do is help us get Trump- but you know this already, don’t you?

And the fact that you don’t care, shows how little respect you’re deserved in this.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

She maintained, that despite her stance, she is not encouraging people not to vote. "I'm not encouraging anybody to not vote. You do what you want to do, but I'm telling you what I'm doing and that's it," she said. "But the more you know, and the more passionate you become, the more you see that our leaders are evil."She said that people have told her that she needs to "pick the lesser evil" when it's time to vote this year, but she considers both of them "evil."

"I'm all for protecting America and for the better of America, but this war is not doing nothing for America and it hurts me," she said. "Children are dying... I hate that, that disgusts me no matter what religion, no matter what language we speak. We all have one thing in common. We love our children, we love our parents, we love our family."

https://www.complex.com/music/a/backwoodsaltar/cardi-b-talks-about-refusing-to-vote-for-biden-trump

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Dude. If you can’t see that’s she’s bandwagoning you’re blind as blind gets. This is all about her brand. Nothing more. She doesn’t give a shit. But since you never listen to anyone and think you know everything- you go ahead and look at the world through whatever lens you feel you need to.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Yes, we get it. They're both the same.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Neither does voter abstention.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Our system is pretty broken, but if you’re given a lever to pull (voting) you may as well pull it. There is no benefit to be gained from opting out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Idk, seems like one way to peacefully make a system illegitimate and obsolete

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Optimistic thinking! But I’m afraid such protests are futile for many reasons. The biggest issue is that refusing to vote has no visibility; it is not like a real protest or real activism. You simply disappear in numbers small enough to not matter, and those in power will continually claim the power until contested.

There is no reconciling with those in power through pacifism. History teaches us this time and time again. Continue to vote while you can, and remember Trotsky’s ideals for when things go bad.

  1. Never trust the ruling class
  2. Control your leaders
  3. Have confidence in your own abilities
[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

It's never worked in the past. So surely it will work this time!

The system doesn't care if you think it's legitimate or not. Especially if you don't vote. They've worked hard to take the votes of many, nullify the votes of others. They'll just laugh at the ones that waste theirs.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

But has anyone reached out to Ja Rule about what he has to say on the matter?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

She's trash, don't care what she has to say about anything

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You’re shilling an article about someone who has a proven track record of being selfish, shallow, and as fake as they get. It’s hilarious that you think this is making some kind of point in your favor.

You aren’t even aware that this further illustrates your agenda here to everyone. Trust me when I say this, you’re doing yourself NO favors here.

But that’s not why you’re here, is it?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

At this point Ozma has run out of goodwill. Just block and be done with it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That’s cool, but choosing to do nothing is also a choice and you’ll see worse results under Trump, maybe even American forces helping out in the genocide, complete withdrawal of any Palestinian relief efforts, even more weapons provided without any conditions, and repression of groups here in the US. Saving the Palestinians would be great, but throwing out everything else for their sake when it won’t even make a difference just seems childish. If Trump gets power again, you won’t even have the freedom to worry about the Palestinians anymore, but you’ll still have to live with dead Palestinian children under rubble.

With Biden, there’s at least attempts at trying to reign in the Israelis. The US has less sway over the Israelis than what many probably think, as we can see with Israel’s/Netanyahu’s flippant attitude towards Biden’s urgings for restraint. Israel specifically started positioning itself to be less reliant on US influence since the 90s. We should still just stop sending them weapons altogether, but at least under Biden there an effort to stop it (as ineffectual as they are). Under Trump, the US will give increased enthusiastic support.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (14 children)

People like Ozma don’t seem to care about any of that. Their disingenuous agenda appears to have no other purpose than to smear Biden and nothing else. Many people have tried explaining how things work just as you have, and many even brought proof to support their argument.

This dude just shuts down and stops responding when he runs out of excuses to not vote. This is about as bad-faith as it gets. You’re better off just citing how it’s wrong than trying to get this person to listen to reason.

Cardi is a fraud. She’s trying to boost her brand. Nothing more.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

I think the detailed explanations are still good for others who come in without knowing OP has a clear agenda.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

lol. Because Trump would do so much better in that area

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