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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Mr. Trump, the former president and presumptive Republican nominee, derided the trial as “rigged” and made numerous false statements about what had taken place in court

Like he would even know what took place in court since he slept through half of it

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He said himself he doesn’t even know what the charges are.

Personally I’d have asked my lawyer. Probably before 5 weeks of testimony, but definitely before the verdict.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd think. lol

The charges against him would have been read to him in their entirety during the arraignment proceedings which come (long) before the trial. The orange dipshit probably slept through that, too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

He’s playing like the charges are too complex for his voters. He may have also been trying to suggest they are just inane technicalities that we shouldn’t worry about.

It’sa fucking act, he knows what he did, he was sure he’d get away with it, and now he’s trying to get out of it. He’ll say anything but the truth.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He had the opportunity to testify if he thought any of the statements were false... he declined.

That's all we need to fucking say - under oath he refused to refute the charges.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It kind of does say it all, but in a criminal trial, refusing to testify cannot be held against you under the 5th Amendment. In a civil trial, though, refusing to testify can be factored into reaching a verdict.

So yeah, while it may make you appear guilty as hell, refusing to testify in your criminal trial cannot be held against you.

That was hammered into us every time I had to report for jury duty.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idealistically, you're right. But it says volumes that someone would be willing to say a lot of shit in front of a camera (where the consequences are miniscule), but refuse to say the exact same shit in front of a judge (where the consequences are serious [assuming you're not a "rich" ~~white~~ orange cult leader]).

Trump doesn't testify for the one reason we all know: he'd incriminate himself faster than any piece of evidence that could ever be produced.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh, yeah. We all know. lol. But, for better or worse, he's entitled to the same constitutional protections as the rest of us (despite the fact he routinely wipes his ass with it).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, it can't impact the trial, that he didn't testify. Doesn't mean we can't infer, out here away from the court, that he put up a big front in public and slunk away with his tail between his legs in court, because he knew he was guilty and would only have made things worse if he testified, along with earning some counts of perjury.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

My understanding is that it is usually idiotic to testify at one's own criminal trial, even if innocent. Preventing Donald from testifying is one of the few intelligent things the defense did, and not just because he is a loudmouthed pathological liar who would instantly perjure himself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It is absolutely your right to not be sentenced or punished by the state for refusing to testify and that's fucking important... it absolutely isn't your right to not be publicly damaged for being an obvious shit-heel who is clearly lying every second they aren't under oath.

I think it's important to distinguish those two things.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I watched a documentary about Alex Jones' court case with the Sandy Hook victims and he did the exact same thing. In court he does nothing, but as soon as he's back in front of a camera he's straight back to peddling lies and crying injustice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm sure the prosecutors will be bringing this up at the sentencing. I'm also sure the judge watched.

Since he has been convicted, everything T**** says in public can be used to influence his sentencing.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

He faces probation or up to four years in prison.

It's been reported that only 10% of felons are given jail time for similar convictions. You have to wonder if such remarks after his conviction, indicating he's learned absolutely nothing, may lead a judge towards the harsher punishment.

Also, let's take a moment to applaud Alvin L. Bragg.

Alvin L. Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney, risked his reputation by indicting Mr. Trump in a case that some prominent Democrats said wasn’t strong enough to have brought against a former president. Instead, Mr. Bragg cemented his place in history as the first prosecutor to convict a former president.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bragg should get a Presidential Medal of Freedom for his efforts.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember when we thought we were going to make statues of Robert Mueller on Capitol Hill because we once thought he was brave for taking on Trump.

Let's maybe wait to see if Trump actually gets sentenced with an appropriate punishment first before jumping the gun with Bragg.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When the time is right, I'd suggest we rename fort liberty after him.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

New fort same as the old fort. I like the cut of your jib cully.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The democrats are such goddamn pussies. They need to wake up and fight the fascism before their Inaction destroys this country.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I hate the rhetoric that we can't do anything because it would make Trump a martyr.

So it's either let him do whatever he wants or he's a martyr. I don't know why they see this as a lose lose situation. Hold the fucker accountable for his actions or he'll keep doing shitty things. It's their fault that it's gone on as long as it has.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He won’t go to prison, but there’s a decent chance he’ll get home confinement for a few months.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah, I think it'll just be probation with generous terms. If they put him on house arrest, he'll challenge that saying it's political and it will prevent him from campaigning. It'll be easier to just slap him with a "you have to report your travel plans" and a few hours of community service. He deserves much more, but it'll cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars and take years if they actually try to punish him. I'll call it a win if we can always refer to him as "convicted felon DT" and let him walk. That will give more ammo for harsher sentences for the federal cases.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Is there any actual weight to this talk of campaign interference? I heard it somewhere else, too. It just seems absurd to me that that would be considered at all. Like if I did a few felonies but was like: your honor, I've got to water my plants. so you see - I can't do any prison time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

a few hours of community service

Please, please, please, just let me see video of Trump serving and cleaning tables in a soup kitchen in Harlem.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Plus he's likely to have a probation officer either way that he will regularly have to check in with. Hopefully he has to take drug tests too

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Even if he's just given probation, you can pretty much guarantee that he'll violate the terms within minutes.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Throw this dipshit in prison, please.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! He's such a pathetic cuck, fuck trump

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Quick, everyone give him some more money so he can fight the good fight. I'm sure he won't use it on blow and hookers or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Just tell him how much money he raises is proportional to the number of convictions he has. See if he bites.