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[–] [email protected] 97 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Good. We have seen with apartheid South Africa that isolation of a rogue terrorist nation is the only non military way of returning it to the community of somewhat lawful nations. No surprise that Israel was a close ally of apartheid South Africa

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Meanwhile, you can't become a citizen in Maldives unless you are Muslim. Hypocritical fucks

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There were economic sanctions, there was a huge wave of divestment, but all that was pointed at the institutions of the state - not at its citizens ( like this unfortunate decision of Maledives).

Edit: how much sense would it make blocking black citizens of SA from visiting your country -simply because they live under apartheid?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"how much sense would it make blocking black citizens of SA from visiting your country -simply because they live under apartheid?"

What kind of tortured logic is this? Nobody is saying we're going to block the Palestinians from traveling anywhere. Only the perpetrators, not the victims.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nobody is saying we’re going to block the Palestinians from traveling anywhere. Only the perpetrators, not the victims.

Well that is pitty, because they've just blocked 2 millions of Palestinians living in Israel proper - Demographics of Israel, wikipedia

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I'm fed up with that deceitful oft repeated piece of misinformation that's commonly used to deny that Israel is an Appartheid state:

  • Israel separates Nationality from Citizenship and per the Israeli constitution only Jews can have Israeli Nationality. In fact any Jew anywhere in the World is entitled to it and can quite literally travel to Israel and request to get it at the airport.
  • The non-Jews living in Israel you mention either have Israeli Citizenship (not Israeli Nationality, which is a different thing) or not even that because non-Jews born in the occupied Territories (which include Jerusalem and all of the West Bank of which nowadays only a tiny fraction is under Palestinian control) don't have a natural right to even just Israeli Citizenship and have to apply to get it, and it's often denied for quite arbitrary reasons.

This is why there are lots of stories of Palestinians being kicked out of houses in Jerusalem where their families have lived for several generations: even thought they were born there they are not Israeli Citizens (if I remember it correctly only around 40% that apply actually get Israeli Citizenship) and hence have no rights at all in Israel.

People fall for this sleazy "Israel has lots of Palestinians living there" crap because normal modern countries don't have such a convoluted process explicitly dividing people and the rights they get by religion and don't just deny the right to citizenship to people who have lived in what is now de facto that country's territory for generations because of having the "wrong" religion.

Depending how the Maldives is doing this (is it based on Israeli Citizenship or is it based on Israeli Nationality?) they might very well be doing it in the fairest way possible (though it will still catch many Israeli Nationals who are anti-war, even if those are a small minority in the country judging by the polls conducted on the subject).

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (10 children)

holy shit the difference in comments between here and reddit's world news on the same post is insane. Everyone there is a zionist.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What’s the vibe in there? Cause I don’t like the idea of punishing regular civilians for the government’s actions, so I’m not a fan of this decision. But I’m not gonna come in here and say something like “omg why though, Israel’s the victim!!!1”

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Israel doesn't have regular citizens because of their national draft. Just complicit people, settlers, and people who don't have to serve because Israel is racist.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey now, don't forget about draft dodgers

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I would support those people getting individual exceptions. Also the people who are excluded from the draft because of the racism.

Maybe it would be easier for me to say that I just think everybody who ever served in the IDF should be banned from other countries.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

South Korea or Brazil also doesn't have regular citizens? How about Switzerland? List of 85 countries that had mandatory military services in 2023.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wow, what an incredibly bad take. Kudos, I’m genuinely impressed

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Everyone there is a bot.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Reddit is mostly literal bots. Not figurative ones, literal ZionistGPT bots jerking eachother off.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Reddit just banned everyone commenting negatively about Israel or its inhabitants

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Worldnews really is overrun by Zionist bots. If you go to some other subreddits a lot of them seem to still have real humans who are saying so. But it seems like a lot of other subreddits are being taken over by bots at this point too.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Nearly 11,000 Israelis visited Maldives last year, which was 0.6% of the total tourist arrivals.

Very nice. It's not just a symbolic boycot

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A symbolic boycott is important. They still picked a side in this mess.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

All Israeli’s have to do military service and they get a bonus afterwards that they often use for travel. Thailand was full of Israeli kids when I went. Would be awesome if Thailand did the same.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some of them come to India too and from what I've heard, they're pieces of shits.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

It's funny how often in these threads people mask off with their antisemitism so clearly

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

wp:Human rights in the Maldives

The constitution declares Islam as the state religion of the Maldives and states that all Maldivian nationals are required to be Sunni Muslims.[13] It is illegal in the country to proselytize any religion other than Islam, and advocate for secularism or the separation of church and state. Apostasy and atheism are also outlawed and those who identify as or accused of being apostates or atheists are punishable by death by Maldivian law (though unenforced) and are often subject to vigilante violence or attacks with little or no consequences for perpetrators by the authorities.

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Defamation and Speech "contrary to the tenets of Islam" is illegal.

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As the state partially practices Sharia law in some matters, homosexuality is illegal. The punishment for men is nine months to one year imprisonment, or 10 to 30 lashes. The punishment for women is nine months to one year of house arrest.[3]

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Atleast we didn't kill 30000 civilians. Shut the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

This is Lemmy: the Shariah law as practiced by the Maldives doesn't apply here,

nor did the Maldives fight a war for its very existence on the first day of its independence.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can they block Americans as well?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Also the 193 other countries in the UN…….

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That’s about Israel settlement building

I can find maps with colors too.

Show me the map of countries who have condemned Israel for genocide.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I don't have a map handy, but South Africa's case was supported by the 57-member Organization of Islamic Countries along with many others so your "193" number is obviously way off.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Wait, I thought it was bad to punish civilians for the actions of their government/military.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I fail to see the equivalency between "murder a bunch of people" and "a bunch of people are no longer allowed in a luxury resort".

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

False equivalencies seem to be the stock-in-trade of the anti-Palestinian trolls these days.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Imagine thinking I'm anti-Palestinian because I don't support a blanket ban on Israeli travel. The state of the "discourse" nowadays...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (20 children)

One small country in the middle of the ocean is a 'blanket ban on Israeli travel?'

Banning someone from your resort island is the same sort of punishment of civilians as killing them?

The state of discourse indeed...

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Have they banned Russians?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately not.

I say that not because I hate Russians.

I hate the Russians that fly to Maldives and act like they own the place and are constantly rude to Maldivians, other tourists and leave trash behind when they leave.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

sorry but this is actually stupid. don't blame the israeli people over the actions of the government - especially when a large number of israelis are protesting against the government.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (9 children)

How is this different from sanctions on Russia? Those mostly harm civilians, and are intended to create political pressure. There's not much anyone can do to only harm Netanyahu.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

sanctions on russia don't ban russians from traveling.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Yes they do: quite a number of countries banned Russians from non-essential travel. That's why there's so many of them in Georgia and Serbia: draft-dodging isn't essential travel, apparently.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Israeli government is elected, and enjoys widespread public support. Which means the Israeli public share the responsibility of this genocide.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This is ubelievably dumb. Israel is not even a democracy. Yes, they may have some democratic laws, but they are also 70+ years under the state of emergency. There isn't free press. Israelis are getting locked up for protesting for peace, for refusing to fight in a apartheid war, even for liking facebook comments supporting Palestine. Aplying collective punishment / collective responsibility under such circumstances (as generally under any circumstances) not only doesn't support the plight of palestinian refugees, it goes against it!

I understand their (Maledives) motivation, but this is not the way. You can't punish all Palestinians for the crimes of the few, nor can you punish all Israelies for the crimes of the many.

Go ahead and downvote me.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Go ahead and downvote me.

I got you bro

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I get your point, but I don't think the ones who protest are the ones vacationing in a luxury island. I assume majority of them are rich or spoilt assholes.

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This should be used by other countries too. Like Thailand!

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