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Data on search engine market share is available, but I wonder what that looks like for Lemmy users in particular, who I would assume lean more technical than the average user, so probably use DuckDuckGo and alternates more than Google.

I use a mix of DuckDuckGo and Kagi. I'll also use ChatGPT, which can be good if you're careful to verify the answers it gives you as a check against hallucinations. It's useful for short, direct answers without ads or SEO bullshit.

This article on Ars (and if you're not a subscriber, you absolutely should be, as they are the best tech journalists out there) inspired the question: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/google-admits-reddit-protests-make-it-harder-to-find-helpful-search-results

Fucking Reddit. Enshittification ruins everything.

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[–] Kir@feddit.it 11 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I don't understand why lots of you answer with chatGPT. It's not a search engine! And you shouldn't use it like a search engine.

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[–] newtraditionalists@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Ix9@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Same here. I know a lot of folks don't like the results, but to be honest, I don't find Google any better these days.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I use mostly either ddg or brave search. I miss the google of pre 2010, when the majority of its results were good.

I also use Yandex whenever I'm looking for pirate stuff, the only engine that doesn't block those kinds of results.

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[–] mollusk@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I run my own searx instance

[–] jadenity@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

As someone who's only recently heard of SearXNG, why searx and not SearXNG?

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[–] chri_ho@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

I am a long time DuckDuckGo user. I came for privacy and stayed because of the features.

[–] ian@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

https://www.marginalia.nu/

Currently down for updates, but does a great job of avoiding SEO abuse/blog spam/etc. Takes you back to the earlier days of the internet when it felt like there were more forums/individual sites/etc. They’re still out there, just hidden under all the junk.

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[–] eight_byte@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Kagi. Very happy with it. Best $5 it recently invested. Gives me much better results than Google and all the others.

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[–] sorchist@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

I've been using DuckDuckGo since, at least 2010, maybe earlier. If its results aren't up to snuff, I'm not aware of that because they're what I'm used to. I fall through to Google ( !g) if I think there might be more out there. The bang commands are so good. I use DDG as my main search in my search bar and then I can use the bang commands to get to whatever specialized search I want from there. It's a meta-search-engine.

[–] kamen@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I've been using DuckDuckGo as my main search engine for the past couple of years. I occasionally fall back to Google.

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[–] xray@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

DuckDuckGo. Google if DDG isn't cutting it.

[–] kscutsforth@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Duck Duck Go is the only search engine I use. Switched away from Google for privacy reasons and haven't missed it a bit.

[–] rnd@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

DuckDuckGo for me personally.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I've been using Ecosia for a while and liking it. I think the results are usually better than Google and the image search is way more useful, still gives you direct links to the image files. Though most importantly I like planting trees.

[–] Silejonu@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

DuckDuckGo, but mostly because of the !bangs. I do 90% of my searches through StartPage (!s), and the rest directly on a few websites (Wikipedia, YouTube, Arch wiki...).

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

I'm still looking for a search engine that doesn't use data from my IP address to provide targeted results. In the meantime, I've gone back and forth between using SearXNG instances and using Startpage, but there's really not a decent search engine in existence, from what I can tell.

[–] nachtigall@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Qwant (but I hate all search engines nowadays)

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[–] LordChaos82@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

I use my selfhosted Whoogle instance for search

[–] billy4479@feddit.it 3 points 2 years ago

i use brave search (even if i'm on firefox), it gives good results while having an independent index

[–] PeterBronez@hachyderm.io 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

@SemioticStandard Kagi. I used DDG for a long time, and Kagi is strictly better. Specifically, it’s very snappy and I trust the privacy guarantees even more since I’m a paying customer.

[–] Nankeru@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Kagi, hands down, is by far the best search engine I've ever used (next to Neeva, which got bought and shut down) without looking for Reddit results all the time.

Just simple searches like "Best gaming headphones" or "Realtek Driver Download" and comparing them with Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, Brave, Startpage, etc. shows how the quality of the results are far superior.

And you can directly define, which sites you'd like to see higher / more results of or less - or even completely block or pin them to the top.

Also, it also shows you directly, before visiting a site, in colors if a site has a very high number of ads and/or trackers.

And they support for power users custom CSS to adjust everything, URL rewrites (e.g. change all Reddit URLs to old.reddit or to automatically open libreddit or archive.org versions), DDG and custom bangs, and much more.

Lastly, I created a so-called "Lens", which allows me to search Lemmy / Kbin content only (also still have one for Reddit).
Meaning with one click, it shows me results from only sites or keywords I've defined - see image.

Very satisfied with it, can only recommend.

(copied from another thread I replied to)

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[–] kuchaibee@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

DDG for everyday usage. Sometimes I try searching the same things on google just to compare results. I've tried searxng instances on and off in the past but its rarely been reliable for me and self hosting isn't really an option for me.

[–] QuestionMark@vlemmy.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Currently DuckDuckGo, but I will switch to SearXNG because of this.

[–] tenet@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Because of what? One idiot that broke his search engine somehow?

[–] crab@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

duck duck go on firefox.

[–] davehtaylor@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

They're all garbage. Content farms and SEO nonsense has been flooding search engines with useless garbage for years. Either that or pages that simply copy forum threads over and over and over so you get a whole results page of what appears to be different sites, but are all a copy of the same forum thread from 2007. Or they grab your search string and then you have a page that looks like it's exactly what you need, only to find out it's scammy bullshit. But AI is making that whole problem exponentially worse.

I've tried DDG many many times over the years. Sometimes it's ok. But overall, most of the results i get just aren't relevant, and it seems like over the last year or two DDG's results have gotten way worse. I always end up back on Google. As crappy as Google is, the results still end up being more relevant overall.

[–] PlushySD@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Duck Duck Go too

[–] Klinkertinlegs@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

I use DuckDuckGo. Including using their browser on iOS and windows.

[–] Usernameblankface@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Google, duck duck go when I don't want to see ads for days based on what I'm searching, Bing and Perplexity when I want to avoid doing a series of searches to learn something.

[–] thatonedude1210@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

DuckDuckGo here.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] lentilhoarder@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thanks for making me aware of Kagi, I've been trialing it and getting decent results is a breath of fresh air in a world of blogspam and LLM garbage.

[–] smellythief@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Kagi on iOS and Mac. DDG w/Google on Android because my preferred Android browser, Vivaldi, doesn't offer Kagi. Anyone know how to default Vivaldi to Kagi?

[–] ADHDefy@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I typically use StartPage, sometimes DDG. Occasionally I pop in and check out how Brave Search is progressing, out of curiosity.

I would love to use Searx, but I've never found an instance where functionality wasn't breaking all the time or it just randomly goes offline. As much as I want to be, I've learned that I'm not much of a self-hoster. So, yeah, every time I try Searx, I wind up back at StartPage. If anyone has any solid, reliable instances they know of, I'd love to check them out.

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