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[–] [email protected] 179 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Me watching WWDC: “Android already does that.”

Me watching Google I/O “iOS already does that.”

[–] [email protected] 109 points 9 months ago (4 children)

In ten years all phones will be crabs

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Windows phone 10 had most of these things in 2015

[–] [email protected] 113 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It had everything except apps.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

… and the users

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Yes. Android already does all these things. But I think the things I’m excited most about are not on this list at all.

  1. A private local LLM. With the on-device context of my notes, messages, calendar, etc, I’m rather excited to have a more personal LLM than ChatGPT.

  2. Personal messaging via satellite. I love that I can stay in touch with people outside of a cell network.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

It's a very short list but powerful.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (5 children)

A private local LLM

Running on a phone? No way, not without being absolutely horrible, slow or making your phone churn through your battery anyway.

Good LLMs are olready slow on a GTX 1080, which is already miles faster than any phone out there

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I hear you, but also I would be shocked if Apple were to roll this out and it be an absolutely terrible experience. Like their MO is “luxury” products with “premium” experiences, it would not be fitting of the brand to have a piece of crap experience on their flagship announcement.

I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's not a LLM, it's a much smaller model (~3B) which is closer to what Microsoft labels as a SLM (Small Language Models, e.g. MS Phi-3 Mini).

https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/introducing-apple-foundation-models

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I'm an android user but honestly bored of hearing this shit every single year. "Android already does that" yeah, we know. It's like having a friend that is constantly trying to one-up you, or trying to steal attention away from you at your own birthday party.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Android can do satellite messaging? Android phone makers are shipping on device LLMs?

I'm not an Apple fanboy nor do I use an iPhone currently but this headline is ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Android phone makers are shipping on device LLMs?

Do people actually want these?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

Yes, in fact that is the only kind of ai i would ever use and entrust my data to. Not the apple one, but an open source model that is running only on my device and answering only to me; using the data I provide only for my interests? That one I would use.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

LLM is AI correct? If my phone is going to do AI at all, I prefer it be done on device for sure. For privacy reasons if nothing else. But it's not anything I've really looked into. I have the S24 and the only AI feature I use is the Circle to search... which I don't consider to be AI.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My last brand new Pixel phone had debug strings in the user interface and the UI was not responsive. It’s the daily annoyances and details that made me get an iPhone. Comparisons have been stupid since the beginning of smartphones.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago (5 children)

As much as I hate apple and google, I want a future where all these can be done locally without massive servers and sending all data to cloud . Apple clearly have a edge over google in that regards.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I didn’t realise android did free SMS over satellite when there is no cellular connection

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Looks like it's been available on some android devices for at least a month. I don't know about free though, I think it depends on your carrier. I know T-Mobile has been talking about supporting it using Starlink satellites.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/1ct1no1/satellite_messaging_option_appeared_on_my_pixel_7/ https://www.t-mobile.com/news/un-carrier/first-spacex-satellites-launch-for-breakthrough-direct-to-cell-service-with-t-mobile

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (6 children)

This has been the case for at least 11 years.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (32 children)

Android is 5 years ahead of iPhone 60% of the time

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Good for Android, now if they’d only implement all of the Apple-only features that create the lock-in appeal then maybe they’ll get somewhere. When my Pixel Buds flow seamlessly from device to device to the third and fourth device then maybe we’ll talk

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

That’s great! Competition in this space is working to improve both.

Instead of this stupid fanboy shit of Android vs iOS, we should celebrate an actual success in development.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

Nobody cares nerds. Nobody.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (10 children)

I mean Android, and Samsung in particular, borrow from Apple all the time as well. Hell Samsung frequently bad mouths Apples for the anti-consumer choices one year then follows suit and does the same thing in a year or 2 themselves.

These kinds of takes are not the flex some seem to think they are in my opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (19 children)

To be honest as an Android user, if Apple makes their phone less locked down and give more affordable choices for phones I may try an iPhone, as I am a bit fed up with Android, and there are no other real alternatives.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Lifelong iOS hater who moved to iOS 2 years ago here. They're different strokes for different folks.

If you're like I used to be, get an Android! Flash a custom ROM on it! All the freedom is amazing.

Now I have an iPhone. It may even lack some features Android has. It gets them slower. But the experience is ridiculously polished and consistent. This is a device I can't have fail on me.

I still use Linux on my gaming PC and one of my work laptops. I love it. I love fiddling with things. I just want my phone to be an appliance like my fridge now. I buy it and forget it for the next few years.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My second work phone is an iPhone, so I'm a lifelong iOS hater but I've had a few generations of them. Let me tell you these things crash all the time, it is only slightly better at covering for itself.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Surprising no one?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

i still like my android but i do wish they would get back to prioritising widgets again, like apple has done - and get developers to do it as well.

i also like apple watch over my samsung watch. i think the apple watch is top in it's class - that combined with apple fitness+.

if apple could set defaults, use actual browsers (like android), and have an open in menu like android, i'd switch. i don't think i could ever get used to apple's notifications though. android is still superior there.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Yes, but apple will market them better so people will think it's new .

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yep, and Android also suffers from plenty of malware within the Play Store. I’d rather a company focus on combating that than worrying so much about minor features.

Edit> Yeah I figured I would be downvoted. People are very tribal and base their identity on such which means they will disagree with me. I am a pragmatist and don’t want to deal with malware and a shitshow of fragmentation — so while it does suck to be within Apple’s walled garden, it at least fits my needs.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I know this is an old feature, but do we have the NFC money transfer thingy?

I mean the one where you touch other phone with your phone and transfer money.

If we do I am unaware of it, I use AOSP.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (13 children)

Like math notes. And handwriting fonts. And a customisable control centre. And phone mirroring. And locking apps natively. And pretty much all of Apple Intelligence (particularly Genmoji because I want a hyena emoji and Unicode doesn't have one).

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