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Netanyahu knows that every time a child dies, Hamas gains sympathizers and people willing to join, and yet Israel keeps saying the eradication of Hamas is the only way to secure their nation. This is a forever war.
That's why they're doing the genocide
They don't just gain sympathizers in Gaza. They gain sympathizers globally, especially in ME countries. And the genocide of people in Gaza won't eliminate the Palestinians, anyways. They are a worldwide diaspora now, just like the Jews.
I feel like you skipped a few steps in your conclusion, cause having retyped this comment several times now, it does seem logical (though logically evil and morally corrupt; which nobody's surprised). And I'm not entirely convinced it's just Netanyahu trying to create a "forever war"
I was gonna say that it seems more like "blatant genocide" than a "forever war"... and how can a war be "forever" if one side is obliterated?
But then I thought, "Maybe genocide is just a bonus for Isreal", while also being a 'unique' way to stir-up the concept of "War on terrorism, in the US". Their "War on drugs" has lost some traction (and also serves a different purpose), but maybe they can put a convoluted spin on the "War on Terrorism".
The US is allowing "allies" to commit genocide for the greater good of their own military complex/gain?... because their current "forever wars" have been experiencing downturns? Maybe it is a "forever war" with genocide as a bonus for Isreal?
I can't dispute your statement well, because it doesn't seem too "off key". It just feels like you've made some logical leaps... or I'm just falling into conspiracy-driven-logic. Idk, but I appreciate giving me something to ponder more closely
I would also suggest you read this article about Netanyahu's former best friend and about his using this war as a pretext to cement dictatorial power.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-798324
I should have definitely given more context.
Fuck Netanyahu. Fuck Biden.
You forgot Sinwar
Aid trucks remain stranded at the Southern entry points, with Raremoved closed over Israel crossing Biden's supposed red line. Israeli citizens - not IOF - routinely block the trucks and destroy their contents while the IOF watches. Israel maintains its blockade of Gaza that it has imposed since 2007 that prevents aid from entering any other way and used pressure campaigns on Turkey and Guinnea-Bissau to hamstring the Gaza Freedom Flotilla.
It's important to remember that the oppression of Gaza and Palestinians is a central project of Zionism that spans multiple leaders and requires the active consent of several coordinating parties, with the US imperial apparatus at the top and the Israeli Zionist project just below. If Netanyahu died today virtually all of Zionists' policies would remain in place. Netanyahu was not in power when most of them were instituted.
Opinion polls now show increased support for Netanyahu since October and if you dig just a little deeper you'll find that the primary complaint of Israelis is that he's not even more militaristic, more brutal, and "protecting" Israelis in this fashion. In other words, the illusion of immunity was broken and they are lashing out. Imagine who would have power if Netanyahu died.
Biden provides unconditional support to this genocidal project and this is more or less in line with decades of US policy, although he is even to the right of Reagan in that he won't pick up a phone and actually draw a line. A return to the status quo, which was still horrible for Palestinians, is a bridge too far for the Biden administration. And as you can see, that administration enjoys wide cover from tired and bad faith talking points from a media apparatus that equates the humanization of Palestinians with antisemitism.
If you oppose genocide and consider Palestinians human, then our shared enemies include but also go beyond the current leaders of the United States and Israel. The deeper underlying forces are political economic. They're why when students demand divestment the University administrations would rather sic cops on them than lose a little cash. They're why military contractors nearly always get their way. They're why people like Biden and Netanyahu receive support in the first place, including the tired and politically incompetent lesser evil vote nagging. Political power is not to be a sheep following the orders of wolves, but to become educated and work together.
Meanwhile, Hamas leaders sit in Qatar, congratulating themselves on what a successful jihad they've waged against Israel. The blood of many innocent Palestinian women and children has been shed, which is what they said they needed to draw global attention to the conflict and increase recruiting of future Hamas fighters, funders, and apologists.
Hamas are the ruling party of Gaza, a region occupied by Israelis and not permitted elections for over a decade. By international law, they have every right to resist occupation by all necessary means. I have plenty of criticisms of Hamas, but they are not the primary oppressor in Gaza. That is, obviously, reserved for the occupiers that prevent Palestinians from having food and clean water. From having the right of return. For being permanent refugees.
If Palestine falls, the people who supported their disposession will hold land acknowledgements for them. They refuse to oppose actual genocidal and apartheid regimes. They will only feel guilty after the systems they support have finished the deed. This is the outcome produced by comlicity in oppression and disposession.
You will feel better if you reject these horrors.
Hamas were elected to power by winning a plurality of the votes, whereupon they formed a coalition government. Then they killed their coalition to make a single-party government. The lack of elections in Gaza since then is because Hamas and Fatah can't agree on the terms and conditions of the next election, which had been scheduled and postponed multiple times prior to this war. In my opinion, the main problem is that Hamas was afraid of losing seats to Fatah, because they were getting very unpopular before the war.
The fact is that elections are not actually blocked by Israel. Good to see that you spout bullshit in your first sentence without checking facts first, though. That tells me how seriously I should take the rest of your comment.
International law does not give any government the right to resist occupation by any or "all necessary means." That's another little lie you slipped in. The territory of Palestine is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which means that the laws of war apply. But Hamas does not follow the laws of war... They target civilians instead of military installations, they engage in perfidy through the use of civilian clothes, which puts the actual civilian population of Gaza in great danger.
You'd feel better if you told the truth. There are strong truthful arguments against both Israel and Hamas. Because both are directly responsible for the genocide of Palestinians. I suggest you focus on the parties which are directly responsible, rather than moaning about the "complicity" of random foreigners in an attempt to disparage everyone who doesn't buy into your terrorist whitewashing and disinformation campaign.
I'm not going to feel guilty for ensuring that Hamas gets their fair share of the blame.
Hamas were elected to power by winning a plurality of the votes, whereupon they formed a coalition government. Then they killed their coalition to make a single-party government.
An absurd falsehood. Fatah refused to form a government with Hamas, but the idea that Hamas simply killed them I'd an absurd invention. A child's fantasy.
The lack of elections in Gaza since then is because Hamas and Fatah can't agree on the terms and conditions of the next election, which had been scheduled and postponed multiple times prior to this war.
As an occupied people this onus actually falls on the occupier, believe it or not.
In my opinion, the main problem is that Hamas was afraid of losing seats to Fatah, because they were getting very unpopular before the war.
Congratulations on having a wrong opinion.
The fact is that elections are not actually blocked by Israel. Good to see that you spout bullshit in your first sentence without checking facts first, though. That tells me how seriously I should take the rest of your comment.
Israel is an occupying power and culpable for all that occurs under their occupation. They are an illegitimate and racist government that has always dramatically meddled in these elections. Or are you unaware of what happened in East Jerusalem in 2006? Your narrative conventiently ommits any mention of this.
International law does not give any government the right to resist occupation by any or "all necessary means." That's another little lie you slipped in. The territory of Palestine is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which means that the laws of war apply.
'UNGA Resolution 37/43 (1982) reaffirmed the “inalienable right” of the Palestinian people “and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination” to self-determination. It also reaffirmed the legitimacy of “the struggle of peoples for […] liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle.”'
It is not difficult to find and establish the right for the Palestinian people to fofhyan armed struggle against all occupiers. This has been affirmed and reaffirmed many times. I mention this under the presumption that you or others care about "the rules" this being foundational to pretenses of legitimacy.
Palestine was not a signatory to the Geneva convention, this is a ahistorical nonsense. The PLO unilaterally declared it in 2014, that's a decade ago. When the Geneva Convention was drafted, Palestine was "legally" under British control and was not in a position to have such sovereignty.
I am amused by your little attempts at jabs, though. They are revealing.
But Hamas does not follow the laws of war... They target civilians instead of military installations, they engage in perfidy through the use of civilian clothes, which puts the actual civilian population of Gaza in great danger.
No more than any other group.
You'd feel better if you told the truth. There are strong truthful arguments against both Israel and Hamas. Because both are directly responsible for the genocide of Palestinians.
Hamas is not responsible for the genocide of Palestinians. That falls on the greater occupying powers that forced displacement, disposession , and mass murder upon them, which is of course Western powers and their Zonist compatriots. You are carrying water for them by promulgating these falsehoods.
I suggest you focus on the parties which are directly responsible, rather than moaning about the "complicity" of random foreigners in an attempt to disparage everyone who doesn't buy into your terrorist whitewashing and disinformation campaign.
I am focused on the parties directly responsible. Only you are under the delusion that a militarized resistance to occupation is somehow responsible for the apartheid regime imposed by another power, the indiscriminate civilian bombing campaigns carried out by that power, the full blockade of Gaza by that power, the storming of refugee camps by that power. It is a twisted and dishonest rationalization that blames the resistance to oppressio for the oppression itself, absolving the holders of the guns, the missiles, the planes, the invading forces, the village burners.
I'm not going to feel guilty for ensuring that Hamas gets their fair share of the blame.
I hadn't asked you to feel guilty. But it seems you have an inkling that you support genocide and need a way to absolve yourself. You won't find that absolution from myself. Perhaps you will find it in a truck marked for aid for Palestinian refugees that is actually full of IOF soldiers ready to help kill 200 refugees in exchange for 4 Israelis. Perhaps you will find absolution in the propaganda campaigns to demonize some of those 4 Israelis who say their experience during capture amounted to having to clean and cook and receive birthday cakes. How dare they humanize Palestinians. Somewhere in that mess of thought, you might find the train of thought that resolves the inconsistencies you are clearly concerned about, though making the wrong choice at every turn.
Personally, I have not focused on your absolution. That is something you have raised. I hope that you find it honestly and with a prioritization of humanity and truth, which stands in contrast to the lazy read or propaganda you have offered.
I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this, other than to tell you that Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh (then leader of Hamas) formed a Palestinian Unity Government with Fatah on March 17, 2007. It lasted until Hamas took control of Gaza via violence beginning on June 14, 2007, whereupon PA President Abbas fired the Hamas PM and the Hamas-led government, and appointed Salam Fayyad as the new PM. This was not recognized in Gaza, where Hamas continued to rule through violence after killing or ejecting all the Fatah government officials from Gaza.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/15/israel4
I could go point by point debunking a number of your claims and exaggerations, but there's clearly no point in wasting any more time conversing with you.
The funny bit is the Zionists still pulling out the "Hamas" card in the face of this shit:
The only people in the contemporary era in the whole damn World that did anything worse than the purposefully starving of tens of thousand of children that the Zionists are doing were the friggin Nazis. NOBODY other than Nazis and Zionists comes anywhere close to this level of Evil.
Hell, even before this crap came to the attention of the rest of the World, the children-murder ratio between Zionists and Hamas was already over 1000-to-1.
bloody My Little Ponies of the Middle East.
Insanity. Even if these numbers are exaggerated 2x that's still 25k kids in danger.
That boggles the mind
Gaza is quite literally mostly chldren. Average age was already ~18 before this latest stage of the genocide started. The adults have mostly been killed, imprisoned or driven out.
It's disgusting what Israel is doing and disgraceful that they are claiming racism if you happen to not approve of what they are doing. There, I said it.
Ironically, claiming that the people who call you out for committing war crimes are antisemites is EXTREMELY antisemitic.
Criticising Israel is what got me kicked off Reddit
That's just heart breaking. Israel needs a heart.
The war of religious shitheads.
Every child the Israel government kills in Palestine they make a hundred enemies across the world. If there is justice in this world Netanyahu will be hanged for war crimes.
The tragic irony of so many chickens coming home to roost but still being unable to feed the "martyrs of the future".
the fuck are you on about