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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want this chart, but add the third Z axis of "environmental cost" whether it be just CO2 emissions or a "total" impact score.

I imagine those legumes get even stronger, while the meats lose ranking.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is such a great resource to understand why footprints are ridiculous metrics and how interconnected our industrial agriculture systems are.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is not a great resource, because cows and sheep get 95% of their water intake from eating grass and drinking rain water. But when you grow vegetables, you actually have to water them a lot.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Excepr they barely eat grass anymore, but imported soy from deprecated tropical forests.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

that's not true. cattle hardly get any of the global soy crop, and most of what is fed to animals is the byproduct from making soybean oil. cattle are fed about 2% of global soy iirc and only 7% of all the soy that is fed to any animal is whole soybeans. the rest is basically industrial waste.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

if you follow the citations they call that green water and break it down

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

I like this scatter plot. If you really want to get freaky with it, you should take into account the “protein digestibility-corrected amino acid scores.” Things like eggs and whey are 100%, beans are usually in the high 70’s, and peanuts are actually down at near 50%.

So for nutrition’s sake, not all protein sources are created equal, and it makes sense that if you are trying to get adequate protein at the lowest price, you also want to get sources where you can eat the least of it to satisfy the protein requirements of your body.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Great post!

I wanted to add that this isn't quite how proteins work. Those protein-rich legumes aren't what you would call 'complete proteins.' There's a number of amino acids our bodies use as proteins and while legumes are a good source of many of them, there's a couple proteins you won't get enough of from just the beans. Fortunately, brown rice- while not as rich in protein- gives you the proteins that the beans are lacking. That's why beans and rice are a match made in heaven.

Herbivorous animals are just better at metabolising proteins from plants and of course they're capable of eating much more than us. That's why they're able to live off of grass.

This just stuff I read up on a few years ago so if I've gotten something wrong please say so

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's extremely unlikely that anyone with an even vaguely normal diet isn't getting all the essential amino acids as those complementary to legumes are found not just in rice but in all grains and seeds. So it's not just rice, any kind of bread, pasta, oats, barley/spelt/etc. or nuts will do. And soy is pretty much a complete protein.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The infos in your comment aren't wrong, but it's missing a crucial point: If you live in a developed country, you're likely eating 2-4 times as much protein as you actually need.

Even when a certain legume has only 70% as much content of a certain amino acid, if you eat double than what you need, you still reach 140%.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not sure what the implication of living in a developed country is. People can have vastly different diets in developed countries and people may have different protein needs. Just because you live in a developed country doesn't make you immune to malnutrition.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Curious where tofu would be at on this chart.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Probably somewhere around the legume cluster. They're really pulling their weight there, as expected, though peanuts are quite the dark horse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I suspect it would be at the bottom right blue cluster with the legumes

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Explains how elephants are able to get so jacked without consistent income, they just poppin' them peanuts for days!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Peanut butter is the secret to success

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This would be cool with ratio of protein to calories as well, in the same format.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah protein vs calories would be way more useful than protein vs weight.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Probably should also be noted that you're almost certainly eating more than plenty protein, no matter what you do.
As in, for medical reasons, when people have a dodgy liver, it's helpful to reduce protein intake to what they actually need, but with how much protein our usual diet contains, it's really difficult to get there.

Interesting podcast/video on the topic: https://zoe.com/learn/podcast-should-i-eat-more-protein

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This may be helpful from a cost / gram of protein but its a bit misleading on the grams protein/ 100 g axis for beans - those are the dry bean numbers.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That seems reasonable, given they presumably use the price for dried beans as well. When you care about price (and therefore about about a price/protein graph) you buy beans dried.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Using a smart pot (like the ninja foodie) makes preparing dried beans a piece of cake. I’ve been making pintos, white beans, and chickpeas (for hummus) on the regular now. Really brought my costs down, especially when buying beans out of the bulk section. Thank god for winco.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Comparing liquid to dry foods on the same chart is completely disingenuous. Also look at any label. Cows milk always has more protein than soy milk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't see what you mean. The left axis is a measurement of cost per gram of protein. The bottom gives you a measurement of density. So anything lower on the chart is cheap for what you get and then the further right you go the smaller the portion required to consume to get that amount of protein.

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[–] aubeynarf 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This data seems way off - steak has 24-30g of protein per 100g, for example

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

how legumes have more protein per weight than ground beef?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

80% ground beef is 20% fat

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

80/20 ground beef has 17g of protein per 100g, lentils have 9g per 100g

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

maybe its per dry solids? yeah something doesnt seem right though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, that's what it is, which is a useless metric.

Cooked Pinto beans are 9 grams of protein per 100 grams.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's dry weight. I just checked the labels on my beans at home. They all approximately 7g protein per 35g beans (i.e. 20g protein per 100g beans).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Most likely dried legumes vs uncooked meat that is full of water.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sirloin steak needs to be added to this. It's not only cheaper than other steak but it's significantly higher in protein too at 27g per 100g.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The problem is that a lot of those sources of protein aren't just protein. Take legumes; they all have a ton of carbs as well. Nuts? Loaded with fats. (Same with pork belly, TBH; that's a very fatty cut.) On the other hand, boneless, skinless chicken breast has a trivial amount of fat and carbs.

If you were plotting a 3-dimensional chart, factoring in proteins, cost, and other macronutrients, you would likely find that boneless, skinless chicken in general was the highest combination of both purity of protein, and price.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

What, no grubs?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I basically live on turkey breast, only slightly more expensive than chicken breast, but more protein and almost no fat. Makes macros super easy.

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