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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 73 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Laughable, how they put it.

data protection agencies in 11 European countries – and those agencies, led by Ireland, telling the Facebook giant to scrap the slurp.

They are making such a pathetic show about their own decision to observe the law.

And this is a law that is clearly and openly readable. You don't need legal experts to understand the basics, and you don't need any agencies telling you that you must observe it.

They are constantly giving the impression as if they were a gang of professional outlaws and only if somebody catches them redhanded, then they are able make a decision - one decision for one case, exceptipnally - to behave properly.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

They are the worst of the worst, and I will never use an instance that voluntarily federates with Threads. I respect MS more than Meta, and that's a pretty incredible feat on the part of Meta.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

MS is catching up tho. Imagine Facebook style OS lol can't escape the tracking ever

Good thing I avoid them too.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] sunzu@kbin.run 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ya.. It can be de gogoled tbo

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but my point was that you don't have to go far to imagine such a thing. It's been here for ages.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 1 points 9 months ago
[–] sunzu@kbin.run 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And sure as fuck corrupt Ireland hosting US big tech should NOT be the one leading anything privacy related... It is a charade IMHO

[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well you're certainly entitled to an opinion

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Record speaks for itself.

EU commission had to tell Ireland to tax apple because Ireland can't ready the law properly...

Now lets put these clown I'm charge of privacy??? Loolz

[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's not a proper understanding of that situation either

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 1 points 9 months ago

Then educate the public champ

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 9 months ago

common eu w

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So Meta's AIs will mainly reflect non-EU cultural values.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

EU cultural values include resisting against corporations doing whatever they want with our data. Let's see meta try to reflect those.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So you want Meta's AI to have values that don't include resisting against corporations doing whatever they want with your data?

This is a seriously double-edged sword here. The training data of these AIs is what gives these AIs their capabilities and biases.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Anyway, no matter from which parts of the world it's trained, we're talking about 2024 Facebook content. We've seen what Reddit does to an AI.

Can't wait for meta's cultured AI to share its wisdom with us.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Reddit is actually extremely good for AI. It's a vast trove of examples of people talking to each other.

When it comes to factual data then there are better sources, sure, but factual data has never been the key deficiency of AI. We've long had search engines for that kind of thing. What AIs had trouble with was human interaction, which is what Reddit and Facebook are all about. These datasets train the AI to be able to communicate.

If the Fediverse was larger we'd be a significant source of AI training material too. Would be surprised if it's not being collected already.

[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think they were referencing glue on pizza ring and stuf .like that

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 9 months ago

The "glue on pizza" thing wasn't a result of the AI's training, the AI was working fine. It was the search result that gave it a goofy answer to summarize.

The problem here is that it seems people don't really understand what goes into training an LLM or how the training data is used.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago

Training AI is not some noble endeavor that must be done no matter what. It's a commercial grab that needs to balance utility with consumer rights.

[–] No_Change_Just_Money@feddit.de 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Mate, it takes the combined discussions of the internet

I would not expect any sort of values

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Its crazy how much further ahead Europe is in Privacy Protection.

All these companies need to be held responsible for what they do with our data, and what it costs them when they lose control of it. Either figure out how to safe guard it or suffer painful consequences. Or perhaps only store what's necessary for us to interact.

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

But then again, we also have pretty much every EU group pushing for super invasive chat control. It's ridiculous how schizophrenic they are on the subject of digital privacy.

Yup, the EU isn't a role model for the world or anything. They have some good laws, and those should be replicated elsewhere, but don't assume that just because they got a few things right, that they don't mess up in other really important ways.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 3 points 9 months ago

They are telling what they care about, take notice.

I am once they get a local AI grfiter, they will change tune too.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 9 months ago

It's not the same groups and entities pushing these things. It looks contradictory because it all ends up submitted to the same legislative bodies but that's par for the course in a functional democracy.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, seems weird, but there's also points where it's not related at all.

One is a company using user data they didn't tell they would use for this purpose, and illegally trying to do it anyway. They literally sell the data by making a product of it. It's also a private company with stakeholders.

Other is EU scanning messages, but not selling them.

So it's about who you trust basically.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 12 points 9 months ago

Don't worry, maybe Meta can eventually just buy the inevitable leaks resulting from the general chat surveilance the EU so vehemently tries to push through.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


And while this climb down has been cheered by privacy advocates, Meta called it "a step backwards for European innovation" that will cause "further delays bringing the benefits of AI to people in Europe."

"We're disappointed by the request from the Irish Data Protection Commission (DPC), our lead regulator, on behalf of the European DPAs, to delay training our large language models (LLMs) using public content shared by adults on Facebook and Instagram  — particularly since we incorporated regulatory feedback and the European DPAs have been informed since March," the social network said in a statement on Friday.

Without a steady diet of EU information, Meta's AI systems won't be able to "accurately understand important regional languages, cultures or trending topics on social media," the American goliath said at the time.

"In order to get the most out of generative AI and the opportunities it brings, it is crucial that the public can trust that their privacy rights will be respected from the outset," Almond continued.

"We will continue to monitor major developers of generative AI, including Meta, to review the safeguards they have put in place and ensure the information rights of UK users are protected."

Privacy group noyb had filed complaints with various European DPAs about Meta's LLM training plans, and its chair Max Schrems on Friday said while the organization welcomed the news, it "will monitor this closely."


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