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[–] [email protected] 205 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I think this sends a much stronger message than stone henge

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Those idiots destroying paintings and monoliths belong behind bars. That won't convince anyone with even half a brain to think. Just destroys something and makes everyone angry.

[–] [email protected] 158 points 9 months ago (2 children)

destroying paintings and monoliths

But... they didn't do either of those things. They threw soup at glass, and for the Stonehenge thing they used washable powder paint. They were publicity stunts with no damage done.

[–] [email protected] 126 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but it's a lot harder to paint climate activists as the bad guys when you say things like "they souped our glass and powdered our rocks", so better to just lie, right?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Going after a painting that's behind glass is VERY different to going after the stone henge that has no protective layer, and most importantly of all, has nothing to do with the target of their cause

saying it destroyed the stone henge is a major exaggeration, saying it did no damage is also just as wrong. The English heritage society emphasised that it was only no VISIBLE damage left, however they also said it did cause damage.

It's just like how you can't touch walls in caves because any change in the oils and stuff in our skins can cause long term damage even though there's no immediate visible damage

[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago (7 children)

How do you think those rocks will fare when the average temperature rises a few degrees?

Do you think the big stones will avoid damage while humans are fighting wars over water?

Are those precious rocks going to be ok when countries near the equator become uninhabitable, and the UK has to violently defend its borders from millions of climate refugees?

Do you think it can still be considered a cultural heritage site after all the humans are dead?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 103 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Those idiots destroying paintings and monoliths belong behind bars.

If only you were so vitriolic about the fossil fuel execs destroying the entire planet.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

But think of the art!!!

/s

[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 months ago

Destroyed? Let's talk about that.

As you know, Stonehenge has been standing in the rain for 3,000 years.

Following the industrial revolution, fossil fuel emissions made that acid rain. It attacked every cultural artifact standing outdoors for decades.

I think that the people who did that belong behind bars.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

ThOsE iDiOtS!1!

Says the moron while not even taking 3 seconds to understand what they did and why they did it. Lol

Look how angry everyone gets about art and architecture whilst not even remotely having the same reaction about climate change and what it's doing to our planet.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Have you ever seen the pictures of the ocean after the gulf oil spill? They never did fix that - they just sprayed chemicals that sunk the oil to the bottom of the gulf, creating a dead zone (with help from agricultural chemical runoff from the Mississippi River). And the people there never did get treated for all their medical issues, even though most of their food comes out of that ocean. That's also why we need Medicare for all btw - so we can make sure the EPA, CDC, and other government organizations are actually doing their job and people are actually taken care of when something goes wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago

Almost as if when you target the problem it sends a better message than doing some random shit.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

So close together? Probably not. Look at the comments. everyone is just talking about Stonehenge.

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 9 months ago

And that's the kind of protest that people get behind.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, this I can get behind. Fuck those guys painting Stonehenge, but this? Yeah, go ahead.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 9 months ago (24 children)

Controversial opinion: whats the point of stonehenge if there is no humanity? Its not like it fosters some ecosystem or smth for other species, its a historical piece which holds sentimental value to us humans.

If we continue to use oil, we will for sure fuck up humanity. The act was controversial but the message needs to be looked at

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

What's the point of destroying Stonehenge if humanity survives as a cascading result of stopping air travel? Defacing or destroying Stonehenge is not the lynch pin that solves or even moves the needle on climate change.

Worse, if it WORKS it means the next cause that is perhaps not existential is going to come and destroy something else that belongs to humanity. Weirdly, when nation states destroy heritage sites it's considered a type of war crime, but when it comes up for raising awareness for climate change fuck yeah everyone's in!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

No one destroyed Stonehenge. They covered it in ~~wheat-based~~ cornstarch-based dye that washes off in the rain (something England gets a lot of). Calm your tits.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (9 children)

The guys doing Stonehenge at least tried. They used a powder they thought would just come off in the rain.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (18 children)

It's literally rocks. You're valuing human life less than rocks, I think that says more about you than them.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Big oil gonna subpoena every upvoter

Do your part to make them waste money

[–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Hear me out. Why don't we spray StoneHenge on the private jets ? one stone at a time, with old fashioned trebuchets

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Wait a minute, that doesn't sound like painting at all!

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago

See, there you go. Direct impact on people who have an impact, and you made the news.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago

Finally a great action from those folks!made my day.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

They leveled up today.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Tfw no direct action GF :(

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Great stuff! Disappointing that the article didn't mention how they managed to get on the tarmac.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's usually nothing more than a chain-link fence.

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