trustworthy AI
Our initial offering will include ChatGPT, Google Gemini, HuggingChat, and Le Chat Mistral
What
Defund Mozilla lmao. Absolute shipwreck of a company at this point.
At least this is opt-in, and Firefox still allows for manifest v3 extensions, and, on the whole, isn't using a engine funded by a billion dollar company that's doing everything in it's power to spy on you.
Yeah i was kinda overreacting but it really isnt looking good for firefoxes future at this point imo. As long as its open source there will at least be forks like librewolf.
people please actually read the article not the headline; this is literally about accessibility improvements for blind and visually impaired people for generating alt text inside of documents and pdfs.
yeah but AI bad no matter if it would be actually useful for once
That's one of the things, but it's also adding a dedicated sidebar for AI. That's the sort of thing that should just be an extension, there's absolutely no reason at all why that needs to be something built into the browser.
Developers should be providing alt text themselves, but in cases where they aren't having a local image recognition model running to provide a description isn't terrible as long as it's either 100% local or completely opt-in.
The dedicated sidebar on the other hand feels very much like a cheap attempt to cash in on the AI fad.
access their preferred AI service from the Firefox sidebar to summarize information, simplify language, or test their knowledge, all without leaving their current web page.
Our initial offering will include ChatGPT, Google Gemini, HuggingChat, and Le Chat Mistral
I don't care. I don't want AI in my browser.
Nice for you, fuck blind people.
"Trustworthy AI" + Recent aquisiton of an advertising analytics company + a call for people to inform on third party sources of Firefox = Down the enshitification rabbit hole we go.
Any recommendations of a good alternative on android? I'm thinking I'll move to librewolf on desktop but they don't appear to have an android version.
I use a fork from F-Droid called Fennec. I'm not sure off the top of my head how closely it tracks with upstream feature-wise but I know it strips out all of Mozilla's tracking components and it's always updated within a couple days of the upstream release.
I do like Mull, but I'm also uninformed and I don't use my mobile browser all too much.
I use Fennec F-Droid on Android and LibreWolf on Linux/Mac/Windows.
Why does my open source browser need proprietary SaaS products stuffed into it?
Isn't this what extensions are for?
It also has google stuffed into it, and apparently the new consensus is that you need AI just as much for browsing as a search engine
I wish they spent their time fixing bugs, rather than implementing this bullshit
Why not both? A large project like this needs to fix bugs and also continue to refine its features for long term relevance.
You will never achieve long-term relevance, by chasing immediately available buzzwords
Honestly, the worst part of the AI craze is that so many people hear AI now and immediately hate it even though it can really do some amazing stuff, e.g. in medicine. AI as a blanket term just has so much variance, there's a ton of trash and a ton of great stuff.
"AI" today mostly refers to LLMs, and whichever LLM you're using, you'll likely face the same issues (wrong answers creeping in, tending towards mediocrity in its answers, etc.) - those seem to be things you have to live with if you want to use LLMs. if you know you can't deal with it, another rebrand won't help anything
Our initial offering will include ChatGPT, Google Gemini, HuggingChat, and Le Chat Mistral, but we will continue adding AI services that meet our standards for quality and user experience.
Is that the same Mozilla that started the Joint Statement on AI Safety and Openness?
What in living hell do proprietary and predatory AI services even doing here?
Mozilla just offered users to feed into the very abomination they claim to fight.
Also, for all things "AI", local is the only way to go if you ever want to have a chance at privacy.
The new CEO of Mozilla, Laura Chambers, has a background working at all sorts of evil companies like AirBnB and PayPal. Its absolutely no surprise that the company immediately dropped plans to diversify in ethical, unique and privacy friendly ways as soon as she joined.
CEOs getting paid primarily in stock means grifters like this will drop their USP for whatever trend makes the line go up, if it is crypto, NFTs, or AI.
Shes not the new ceo, shes a temporary interim ceo while they find someone better
Pretty sure the only thing I wouldn't object to AI being used for in Firefox would be ad blocking. Surely they're going to use this for that right?
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Right?
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Shit.
Not going to lie, AI can be a very powerfull tool but the "we want your browsing experience to be divine, but don't worry we have your back" scares me shitless. Firefox has always had our backs, why do they feel the need to mention it now? Maybe I'm being paranoid but I feel like a browser shoulf just be a browser.
No fuckin’ thanks.
Why Mozilla? Why? You were the chosen one... Fuck it, I'm going back to lynx! Tabs? Sure we have tabs in lynx, just run lynx in tmux
native tab grouping would be a much more desirable feature, to me
I think it makes sense. I like ChatGPT and I appreciate having easy access to it. What I really wish is the option to use local models instead. I realize most people don't have machines that can tokenize quickly enough but for those that do...
Seconding this. Why not allow people to run llama3 or other open source models?
From the post:
Whether it’s a local or a cloud-based model, if you want to use AI, we think you should have the freedom to use (or not use) the tools that best suit your needs
Anyone have any other good suggestions for Firefox alternatives? Sounds like I may be needing to switch soon.
I highly recommend everyone making the switch to LibreWolf. It's a custom version of Firefox that focuses on the things that matter like privacy and security, while cutting out the annoyances that Mozilla loves to add to their browsers.
why would you need to switch, did you read the article?
Any good forks without AI? I really don't want that AI companies with my data.
The way I see AI being implemented into Firefox, regardless of whether it's gonna be opt-in or out in the future is that they need to keep up with the latest browser trends in the future. If they don't, they will definitely lose more of whatever probably small amount of remaining normies who don't use edge or chrome but instead opt for Firefox. They're not tech literate enough to see a conveniently placed ad telling them that xyz browser now uses AI security features and Firefox doesn't and discern the fact that it's a ploy to get them to switch. We need more normies if we really want a chance to keep Firefox more than just treadingn water, and the best way is to offer more random bullshit of the week to keep them from switching to a competitor.
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