I'm much more concerned about unchecked Zionism...
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Two things can both be concerning
When one side is being violent and racist against innocent people and then some other people start being violent and racist against innocent people on the “other side” to counterbalance, that’s not a calm or welcoming development for anyone concerned
Except one thing is wiping out an entire people, but so totally the same thing 🤷
Saying that it's okay if one group of people that someone tried to wipe out, does whatever they want, because of course they're the victims after all, is exactly how we got to this situation where Israel is creating on Earth a for-real biblical apocalypse and people are trying to defend their right to do so.
Anti-Semitic people would wipe out Jewish people in Israel if the United States withdrew its support of Israel. That doesn't in any way justify Israel targeting civilians or engaging in genocide, but it's disingenuous to claim only one side is threatened with annihilation. Nor does it imply that both the threat and the action are "totally the same thing." Nobody is suggesting that.
Maybe you should not only be concerned with one type of bigotry and not another? Just from an equity standpoint?
I'm concerned with the one causing genocide at the moment, how about you? One seems to be a bit more unchecked and the other seems.to be the buzz word for anyone who dares to question Zionism.
I'm not as stupid as to believe that bigotry and hatred towards jews doesn't exist.
American Jews are not causing genocide. But it's telling that you are accusing us of it.
No where did they say anything about Americans...
That's literally what this article is about. Antisemitism in America.
But Jews are not causing genocide. Israelis, most of which are Jews, are the ones responsible for the genocide.
Jews in the other 194 countries in the world aren't generally taking part.
Would you say a Chinese person born in Belfast was responsible for the genocide of the Uyghurs? Is a Muslim with Saudi grandparents born in Tokyo responsible for 9/11? Of course not.
Less than half of the world's Jewish population is Israeli.
I'm much more concerned about unchecked Zionism...
And yet that's what the reply was too.
So they added an off-topic whataboutism so they could get up on their soapbox? Lol
I thought you were joking but they've tripled down now
Yes. And then you suggested it was still Jews and not Israelis that are committing genocide, so thank you for proving my point above. It doesn't matter how much I am against Israel or how much work I've done with Jewish Voices for Peace. I have a big nose and curly hair and no foreskin and that's enough.
Where did I say jews are committing genocide?
Its only Israelis and rabid zionists causing the issues but I have a massive problem if you think I'm trying to say the jews are doing it
Okay, if you didn't mean Jews, why did you say this when I talked about American Jews?
Because it sure looks to me like you're saying Jews but not American Jews.
I am Jewish and I am concerned, although the harassment I've gotten so far has not been much and only online. It is, at least in part, Israel's fault by suggesting that it's the only place for Jews despite the fact that fewer Jews live in Israel than Jews who don't live in Israel.
I do not support Israel's apartheid or genocide. I don't even really want to visit the place unless it was part of a Middle Eastern archaeology tour or something. And yet, more than once, at least once I can recall on Lemmy, I have had to not just justify that (in the same "but do you condemn Hamas" manner), my justification was not accepted.
One person here on Lemmy, a person who I'm fairly certain was not a Jew themselves, actually declared me not Jewish because I live in the U.S. Which is just another form of antisemitism.
Regardless, I'm not apparently allowed, by a significant number of people, to identify as a Jew and not support Israel. And that includes a significant number of Jews who I have to deal with as an internal problem. But at least they aren't also saying overtly antisemitic things.
Now... that said:
This goes way beyond Israel. A significant number of white people (by no means a majority) do not consider Jews white. Jews are an "other." You need look no further than Elon Musk's "you have said the actual truth" reply to the person saying that Jews oppressed white people. It's "the actual truth" because I'm not white to someone like Elon.
I'm white. I benefit from every bit of white privilege every other white American benefits from. No cop is ever going to pull me over on suspicion of being white. No hiring manager is going to turn me down because I have a name that doesn't sound white. My skin is practically lighter than Morticia Adams'. But to Elon, and others, I am not white.
And all of this concerns me. A lot. It didn't used to much. Then Charlottesville happened and I found out that "Jews will not replace us" was considered by a lot of people to be an acceptable thing to chant in America.
a person who I'm fairly certain was not a Jew themselves, actually declared me not Jewish because I live in the U.S. Which is just another form of antisemitism.
Antisemitism (or, more accurately, 'Judeophobia') is being bigoted against someone because they are Jewish. What that person said to you was not antisemitism, it was just stupid.
Overusing and misusing (sometimes intentionally- à la Israel) that accusation dilutes it's severity and makes people more likely to handwave actual incidents of discrimination and bigotry, which is not good my Squid.
I don't think you understand what bigotry is.
You certainly do not get to tell me what I consider to be a bigoted slur against me.
And don't make it sound like I've never experienced worse. I've experienced far worse.
But yeah, sure, I own a home so that makes it all fine (I don't own a home, my non-Jewish wife does).
Edit: By the way, trying to invalidate my experiences by only addressing one small issue in my post and acting like that means it's all in my head is fucking rude.
You ok? You jumped straight into imagined victim mode. I never said or implied any of the things you're defending yourself against, and I don't believe they are true.
I read and generally like your comments, and I don't think you think that your personal experience invalidates statistics. Are you stressed out or something?
No harm meant.
imagined victim mode
Thank you for proving my point.
No harm meant
And yet you think my experiences were imaginary.
Yeah well I was less scared when people weren’t openly hating my neighbors for being Jewish
Are these concerns borne out by actual data on hate crimes?
The number of hate crimes reported to police in the nation's 10 largest cities rose again in 2023, according to preliminary data released Friday from the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University.
The annual study found at least 2,184 hate crimes were reported across New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, and Austin last year, an increase of nearly 13% from 2022 driven in part by upticks in anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim attacks amid the ongoing Israel-Hamas war. A larger analysis of 25 American cities found hate crimes increased an average of 17% from 2022, according to the study.
"The top 10 cities generally match what's going to happen nationally," said Brian Levin, professor emeritus and founder of the Center for the Study of Hate & Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino.
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New York and Los Angeles saw some of the largest increases in anti-Jewish hate crimes, rising 12.6% and 48% respectively, while Los Angeles and Chicago saw 40% and 300% increases in anti-Muslim hate crimes, according to the study.
"It just explodes after October 7," Levin said, referencing the day Hamas-led militants killed 1,200 Israelis and took more than 240 hostages.
Levin said the data indicates national FBI hate crime data will also likely show a record number of anti-Jewish hate crimes when it is released later in the year. He said anti-Muslim hate crimes could also reach their highest levels since the last peak between 2015 and 2017.
Israel is committing savage war crimes but has anyone thought about the jews outside of the Israel?
China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs. Does that mean people shouldn't be concerned about bigotry against Asian-Americans?
There is a time and place for everything... flooding news with "antisemitism" on the rise is a dilatory operation for the benefit of the genocide conducted by Israel.
Bad faith behavior should not be rewarded and should be called out for it is.
With that being said, no person should have to suffer bullshit but we all do, every day. Nothing special about being Jewish there unless you think that a jewish person within US suffers more prejudice than others.
Yes. The time and place to confront hate is the time and place where hate is. And that is true whether or not there is an unrelated genocide on the other side of the world. For the same reason I gave about Asian-Americans and Uyghurs. The genocide there is happening right now. That does not lessen bigotry that other Asians suffer in other parts of the world or make it less worth talking about.
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Judeophobia (at least in the UK) is not systemic like racism against blacks is in the U.S.
Jews are more likely to own their homes than the general population (73% versus 64%).
That being said, is any group immune from assault? Even individuals squarely in the power majority, like a heterosexual, native, white, male Englishman, are subject to random assault (verbal and physical), destruction of property etc. not as a result of his personal actions. It seems like Jews as a group have it pretty OK but they want the red carpet rolled out for them or something.
Perhaps it's one of those things that's actively measured against, leading to increased reporting? I know that Travellers and Chinese (as just two examples) don't have access to this kind of infrastructure, so reports against bias toward those groups might be under-represented.
To address Judeophobia we must address the elephant in the room- Zionistic Israel using Jews as human shields to protect themselves from any repercussions of their crimes against humanity. Israel supporters increase polarization between Jews and non-Jews, signaling that anyone against the actions of Israel is against Jews as a group, which is a blatant lie.
There are also "boy who cried wolf" incidents which dilute the severity of bigotry against Jews and are not helping our cause, but those are minimal compared to, for example, organizing an "Antisemitism Awareness Rally" which is just a front for Israeli PR so they can continue their genocide against the Palestinians a little bit longer without losing too much public support.
Not to downplay the fact that some people do discriminate against Jews and that is wrong, but this antisemitism hyper-vigilance against the backdrop of Israel's actions reeks of McCarthyism, especially considering Israeli hasbara.
Dude, no one is afraid of me. They just hate me because of who my parents were.
Are you talking about the "phobia" part of Judeophobia? It's not about fear, as in "a phobia". It means negative attitudes, feelings, or actions towards a group, in this case Jews. Like transphobia isn't a fear of trans people, it's a dislike (sometimes intense) of trans people.
EDIT: bro did you just read the first word of my comment and then comment back?!
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Okay, if that's what you mean. Inventing a new word is stupid.
Also, this is the U.S. we're talking about, not the U.K.
I don't own a home, I dropped out of college and I don't have a job.
So are my many, many antisemitism experiences including multiple times I've been told this year that I support genocide when I'm working with Jewish Voices for Peace valid enough for you?
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